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Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« on: April 19, 2011, 03:06:36 PM »
Here a copper coin which seems from Agra mint (?) on which, if I am not wrong... I read : "falus and a date in persian letters" : 945? (nuhsad and.. panch...) (diameter : 17 - 18mm / 2,2 g and less than 1 mm as thickness).
Did somebody have an idea on this unusual coin? is it one of the fulus reported by Whitehead in his "catalogue of mughal coins in Lahore museum" (mint notes : Agra).   Thousand thanks
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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 09:56:59 PM »
VERY interesting Saro!  I would love to hear more about it.
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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 11:54:46 PM »
Sorry to be so ignorant, saro, but can you explain to someone who doesn't have the relevant books and catalogues what is unusual about this coin?

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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2011, 09:02:21 AM »
This coin is curious and unusual among mughal issues...
R.B Whitehead in the mint notes of his "Catalogue of Mughal Coins in Lahaore museum" writes on Agra mint and for Humayun : "The copper coins, again like those of Babur, are pieces of Bahloli weight and size. On them Agra is called Daru-l khalifat, Daru-l-'adl and Daru-aman. In addition, there are some smaller, thinner fulus on which the mint-name is without epithet. The copper coins of Babur and Humayun do not contain the emperor's name."
I am not sure of my reading, except for "falus" and "nuhsad" (900). The introduction of dates written in letters was, I think, made by Akbar on his early dams and fractions; here, if my attribution is correct, we find it on an Humayun's copper.
The weight of this thin copper doesn't fit with Akbar's standard (too light for 1/8 dam and too heavy for 1/10), but could be in good agreement with 1/4 Humayun's fulus (1 falus = +/- 9 g ).
Any suggestions are welcome ! may be a kind of challenge...

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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 01:51:42 PM »
To follow my previous message...
H.N Wright (Coins of Mughal Emperors / Calcutta Museum) describes a copper half falus of Humayun (n°26, 4,8g / 20mm diam.) with legend "zarb falus Agra" and "(fi) tarrikh nuhsad wa si..." (937 ?) with the date in letters, unfortunately without photo...
It seems that what I read as a part of "panch" is in fact the end of "tarrikh" on this coin which could be well a 1/4 falus.
So the date written in letters have well be used under Humayun.
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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 11:10:29 AM »
Found another specimen online. The images aren't great, but may still help.

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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 09:45:59 AM »
Thank you Overlord for this.
The legend is more legible that on mine and what I read as "Agra" (at bottom) appears to be better "ïk" (1), on your 1st scan ? did you agree ? Are you able to read a mintname (over "zarb falus...")? Mandu ?..
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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2012, 05:20:16 PM »
Another example here.

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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 04:22:48 PM »
Thank you Overlord for this.
The legend is more legible that on mine and what I read as "Agra" (at bottom) appears to be better "ïk" (1), on your 1st scan ? did you agree ? Are you able to read a mintname (over "zarb falus...")? Mandu ?..
From this specimen, it appers Agra:

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Re: Help please for identification : Humayun copper ?
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2012, 08:49:04 PM »
You are right and it is now clear with these nice drawings; many thanks for them.
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