UK Olympic 50p series

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Figleaf

New 50p coin aimed at explaining offside law 'gets offside law wrong'
David Hills, Thursday 5 January 2012

A new football-themed 50p coin designed to ease confusion around the offside law has been written off as "totally out of date" and "confusing" by refereeing experts.

The design, unveiled on Wednesday, is one of 29 coins produced to commemorate the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, each featuring a different sport.

The football coin – half a million of which are now in circulation – shows a midfielder about to pass to one of two team-mates, with the first player, on the left, marked as offside, and the second, level with the defender, not offside. But the diagram appears to illustrate the offside law as it was until 1995, when it was overhauled by the International FA Board to reduce the number of stoppages in matches.

The revision to the law meant that any player in an offside position when the ball is played is no longer automatically penalised. It states: "It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position."

Instead, for the past 17 years assistant referees have been told to wait and see whether a player in an offside position becomes involved in active play, either by "interfering with play, or interfering with an opponent, or by gaining an advantage by being in that position". That means that if the midfielder on the coin passes to the striker on his left, but the striker chooses not to play the ball or interfere with an opponent, he is not offside and play continues.

The Royal Mint says the coin was designed "to provoke discussion", but the Referees' Association member Mal Davies, who works with the former head of Premier League referees Keith Hackett on the Observer's long-running You are the Ref feature, said using such old information was "embarrassing".

"The public will assume this has been thoroughly checked, but sadly it's totally out of date," Davies said. "And on parks pitches it will just encourage players to keep pressurising officials to blow the whistle immediately any time a player is in an offside position – and to abuse them when they don't. It's always good to see attempts to explain the Law to a wider audience, and the coin looks good – but unfortunately it takes us back to the last century and just confuses the issue even more."

Launching the football 50p, Susannah Lee, a spokeswoman for the Royal Mint, said the reaction to them had been "phenomenal". "It's an unusual and eye-catching design and has generated significant interest from collectors and sports fans as a result," she said. "The coin depicts a clear representation of the offside rule which I think is useful and easily understood for anyone who happens to find it in their purse or pockets. There are currently half a million of the offside rule 50ps in circulation."

The coins are also being sold by the Royal Mint in presentation packs

The designer of the coin, however, disagrees with Davies. "With all due respect, I reject Mal Davies's interpretation of the coin (rather than his interpretation of the offside law)," said Neil Wolfson. "Nowhere on the coin does it say that the 'offside' player is committing an offence – that is a supposition entirely of Mal's creation.

"The coin simply states that the player is 'offside' – which is true, irrespective of whether or not an 'offside offence' results from this scenario. Furthermore, there are clearly space limitations on the coinface so it was obviously impossible to go into the finer details of the offside rule.

"But for those who don't understand offside, it's not a bad starting point (with further explanation) – and the coin seems to amuse those who do appreciate the offside rule.

"So I simply don't agree with Mal's objection – on the basis that he refers to the 'offside offence', despite the coin having no such reference. I just hope Mal doesn't book me for showing dissent."

Source: The Guardian
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Bimat

Not only British but Indian newspapers have also started taking interest in these coins. :D

Article in Hindustan Times. (Deals with the same football coin!)

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

augsburger

I didn't think Indian had any interest in Football at all. But seems this is merely a Guardian article that has been nabbed by this Indian paper.

chrisild

Quote from: Figleaf or rather the Guardian on January 09, 2012, 02:02:56 AM
The revision to the law meant that any player in an offside position when the ball is played is no longer automatically penalised. It states: "It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position."

Ah-ha! Not an offence but still offside - so the coin designer is not actually wrong. ;D 

What I also find amusing that on that very page there is a link to another Guardian article which says: "Changes to the offside law are needed to make it simpler to understand, according to Franz Beckenbauer, the former West Germany sweeper and chairman of the Fifa Task Force Football 2014."

And by the way, as a comedian once put it: The male brain is bigger because it needs to memorize the offside rules. ;)

Christian

SantoshK

Hi All
Recently i had booked for the entire set of 50P london olympic game coins. But just now i came to know there is some discussion going on football offside law which is present in one of the coin.

Can anyone tell is true that this is right or wrong or is it error done by Royal mint. i am sure the law explained on the coin in true but some of experts are arguing on this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082115/London-2012-Olympics-coins-Off-rule-explained-new-50p.html

Best Regards
Santosh

Bimat

It's NOT an error coin. ;D

More discussion here.

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

chrisild

The German tabloid Express is on the designer's side. ;D  The article, published on Friday, mentions the complaints from Mal Davies, and how relaxed the reaction of the designer Neil Wolfson was: There is no room on the coin to explain all those details, etc. Followed by the last two words of the "Express" article: "wohl wahr" - "true indeed".

Christian

augsburger

#142
The Mint knows exactly what it is doing, and perhaps had one controversial coin on purpose. This coin was always supposed to be the last one out, and with the mint re-publicising the coins again, it comes as no surprise that this time they have made it more newsworthy this time around. Last time it got into two newspapers, perhaps three, in the middle pages.


Bimat

So far, I have got 10 out of 29..couldn't have been possible without kind help of one of the member of WoC. :) Right now I don't have a list of which ones I have but they are indeed cool. Getting the remaining 19 pieces would be fun! 8)

BTW I also got the three £5 crowns (Countdown to Olympics: 2009, 2010 and 2011). So my aim is to complete the British Olympics' collection (base metal coins only) by the end of 2012. :D

Aditya
It is our choices...that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. -J. K. Rowling.

FosseWay

Quote from: chrisild on January 09, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
And by the way, as a comedian once put it: The male brain is bigger because it needs to memorize the offside rules. ;)

I neither know nor have any desire to know the offside rule. Does this mean that (a) I have a small brain, or (b) I am female?  ;)

chrisild

Quote from: FosseWay on January 11, 2012, 07:16:30 AM
I neither know nor have any desire to know the offside rule. Does this mean that (a) I have a small brain, or (b) I am female?  ;)

If it's not the offside rule, it's directions that we men need to keep in mind. After all, men never ask for directions. ;D (Guess that is why GPS devices were invented and quickly became popular ...)

Christian

FosseWay

Ah, well, I get round that problem generally by having people who drive me about (namely the employees of Göteborgs Spårvägar). On the rare occasions when I feel the need to drive myself to somewhere not served by public transport, I nearly always have my wife with me. I trust WifeNav over SatNav any day...

Figleaf

Quote from: coffeetime on January 11, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
Tennis.

Are you sure? It looks like the South Korean flag over the North-South border to me ;D

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

andyg

Augsburger would be proud..... received in change today.
always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

chrisild

Great find! But shouldn't the image be rotated a little? I am sure the Olympics logo is at the top. :)

Christian