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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2017, 07:19:57 PM »
Congratulations Dr. A nice find indeed to your even nicer coppers collection. :)  :)

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 03:34:21 AM »
Good to add after stiff competition. History is quite long but interesting.

Why you haven't overlay legends for this coin that is having word Nau sikka and Qandhar it would be nice to read legends in color overlay.

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2017, 09:17:17 AM »
Dear Ajay ji,
Overlay is done as per your request... 
Amit ji and Peter, it is a good idea to merge the 2 threads!
Ramesh, thanks for your appreciation!
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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2017, 10:10:29 AM »
Hope it was not too much of history!!!!!
certainly not ! thank you for that  :) and members can have a look too at  this short illustrated summary of eventful Qandahar history
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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2017, 10:58:19 AM »
Similar coins were struck at Qandhar during the reign of Jahangir. Attached an example dated AH1016. All those coins are anonymous.
Stephen Album Rare Coins, Sale 18, Lot 838, described it as:CIVIC COPPER: AE falus (10.26g), Qandahar, AH1016, A-3253, inscriptions only, shod ravan on obverse ("became current"), mint & date on reverse, VF, ex M. H. Mirza collection.

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2017, 11:22:37 AM »
There are contemporary coppers in the name of Shah Jahan, with the mintname Qandhar. Attached an example of a ½ dam (10.13 g.), dated AH1051/Ry.15. Typological en metrological it doesn't fit in the series of above illustrated anonymous fulus of Qandahar of Jahangir, nor Shah Jahan.
That's correct as this issue needs to be attributed to the other Qandhar in the Deccan. Also rupees in the name of Shah Jahan are found either struck at Qandhar (Afghanistan) and Qandhar (Deccan).

Ref.:ONS Newsletter 76: K.W. Wiggins, Rupees of the mint of Qandahar in the Deccan during the reign of Shah Jahan I & ONS Newsletter 162: Shailendra Bhandare, Numismatic Vestiges of Shah Jahan's Campaign in the Deccan

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2017, 01:46:07 PM »
An excellent idea to merge the two threads, Peter. Oesho's additions and the overlay work make this thread outstanding.

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2017, 02:22:34 PM »
So the Ry15 is from the Qandahar in Deccan Jan sir?? Metrologically, the coin cannot be different as it is a half dam and coin from Afghanistan are generally available as half dams while dams are quite rare! The place of find can provide an important clue.. Coppers do not travel far and coin found in Deccan are more likely to be from from Qandahar of Deccan. Problem is that the coins are very rare and this is the only one that I know with Shah Jahani legend and mint Qandahar. Typologically also one cannot be certain as nearby mints of Daulatabad and Ahmednagar were minting the coppers as Sahib Qiran sani. The date also do not help !
Dr.Abhishek

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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2017, 03:40:28 AM »
Dear Ajay ji,
Overlay is done as per your request... 
Amit ji and Peter, it is a good idea to merge the 2 threads!
Ramesh, thanks for your appreciation!

Thanks, for collectors like me it's helpful to understand easily.
It's charm of coin collecting once you have quite rare coin with all the legends and much better conditions still mystery of mint to be ascertained.

Merging with old thread also give me more "confidence of trust" on WOC's data base and Oesho''s comments are important twist to research further more on this series.

Cheers  ;D
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Re: Shah Jahan Qandhar half dam- Nau Sikka-- A historical and rare coin!!
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2017, 09:07:33 AM »
Dearest Jan sir (Oesho) , I had a fruitful discussion with Shailendra Bhandare on Facebook regarding the 1051AH/Ry15 coin of Shah Jahan Qandahar and Shailen is of the opinion that the coin is from the Afghan Qandahar rather than Deccan Qandahar. He reasons that
1) Coin was found in Pakistan
2 ) The logic of attributing the Qandahar coins to the Deccan mint was that the dates on the coin corresponded to the period Qandahar in Afghanistan was in Iranian hands at that time. The Deccani coins were struck in a short period of time during the anti-Deccani Sultanates campaign.
Thus the Deccan Qandahar minted coins for a very short time prior to the capture of Afghan Qandahar and only during the Deccan campaign. As this copper is very much dated when Afghan Qandahar has in Mughal hands, hence,attributed to Afghan Qandahar.. Note: There is no overlap of dates between Deccan and Afghan Qandahar
Dr.Abhishek