Not maundy

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I'll post this now because time is running out.

Beware!   I'll explain later as I'm not too well at present.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220534552808&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

See http://www.24carat.co.uk/edwardviii.html for explanation.

Probably an 'unquoted' forgery on eBay.   It might be illegal to sell it!

Bill.

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Don't think it's ilegal, but it is expensive and the word pattern is highly misleading. Don't think eBay will be sensitive to that.

I have quite a few Edward VIII fantasy crowns in my collection. They have been available for years.

Peter

[andyg]

I'm not sure how you can have a forgery of something that didn't exist,
Seriously though, these 'pattern' coins have been available for a number of years.
Before Ebay, they used to be sold through adverts in 'Coin News'.

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I'm not sure how you can have a forgery of something that didn't exist,
Seriously though, these 'pattern' coins have been available for a number of years.
Before Ebay, they used to be sold through adverts in 'Coin News'.

The concept of "pattern" is also being devalued with these items - I've even seen the term "retrospective patterns", which is a complete nonsense.  "Fantasy" might be a more appropriate description.

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At least it showed that I was awake even if I wasn't feeling well at the time.   Much better now. 

I see that the set is currently £44.99 + £3.00 p&p which is for first class standard postage.   I wonder if the 'winner' will realise that it's not the real thing.

'Making' a coin is a very dodgy business.   Similarly, passing on such an item, knowing it not to be genuine is illegal.   I wonder if these were authorised, as if they were it would be OK.

My views, and, sorry, you're stuck with them!   

Bill.

[andyg]

The concept of "pattern" is also being devalued with these items - I've even seen the term "retrospective patterns", which is a complete nonsense.  "Fantasy" might be a more appropriate description.

There is a very thin dividing line between the above set, and this set
but then, even the genuine maundy coins are not really coins...

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There is a very thin dividing line between the above set, and this set
but then, even the genuine maundy coins are not really coins...

I'm not surprised the RM was displeased by such garbage, even if struck in fine silver!

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I followed this up with the Royal Mint, suggesing that it might be dealing in counterfeit coins.   Here is the reply.

Dear Mr Nichols

I am writing in reply to your enquiry of 3 January.

To our knowledge at least one private company has produced what purport to be modern replicas of Edward VIII Maundy coins. These replicas have no official status and are in no way connected with the Royal Mint or with the annual Royal Maundy ceremony. We have no doubt that the coins being advertised on eBay - which are described in the listing as modern patterns - are replicas of this sort.

Yours sincerely

Joseph Payne
Assistant Curator
The Royal Mint

I wonder if perhaps we can all produce 'dummy' coins in this manner.

Bill.

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I can see how these coins would be allowed, as they technically display no denomination, which basically makes them medals. As for the Edward VIII "crowns" (which are clearly noted as such), seems to me that they could be considered counterfeit, even though no such designs were ever officially produced.

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Maundy or not? Is the "unique silver Knaresborough Maundy coin" a highly misleading local initiative or is this part of the preparation of the official ceremony?

Nominate your choice for Maundy coin recipient
Published Date: 15 January 2010

THERE is still time to send in nominations for special people to receive the unique silver Knaresborough Maundy coin.

The coins are being produced to mark the celebrations this year of the 800th anniversary since the Royal Maundy was first presented at Knaresborough Castle by King John in 1210.

A working group has been set up to organise the celebrations as preparations for the main event on Saturday, April 3, Easter Saturday get underway.

Chair of the Maundy Celebrations Working Group, Coun Christine Willoughby said: "The coins are to be presented to those people in Knaresborough and the surrounding area who have provided service to the town and its people.

"Your nominations should be no more than 200 words and can be sent to the Town Clerk at Knaresborough House. We would like nominations by February 27."

The group is also producing a different version of the coin to be given to each child in the town's primary schools.

"Preparations are gathering pace for the Maundy celebrations in the town but there is lots of work still to do," added Coun Willoughby.

"The next Working Group meeting is on Monday, January 18 in the council chamber at Knaresborough House at 7.30pm.

"We would especially welcome support from town organisations who would like to run a medieval themed game or other entertainment at our event on April 3 to be held at the Castle," added Coun Willoughby.

Source: Knaresborough Post