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Shah Jahan. 1/2 Rupee. Mint: Ujjain(?)
« on: December 12, 2019, 03:32:21 PM »
I just could not place this piece, but it looks like a Mughal half rupee. Kalima obverse, reverse refers perhaps to Shajahanabad? A very clear 4 or 14 below that, possibly a regnal year? 5.6g, 17.1mm. IDeas?

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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 05:06:12 PM »
Nice coin. The style and writing appear to be of Shah Jahan (similar to other Shah Jahan half rupees), but I wasn't able to find the KM number. If it is Shah Jahan, then RY 14 would be about 1732 AD.

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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 05:18:01 PM »
I think you are quite right about Shah Jahan (which kind of jazzes me that I could read part of it, and bums me that I didn't have the sense to just look it up in the Shah Jahans). Except that my MWI shows Shah Jahan as not reigning in the 1732 CE timeframe. The Kalima is the right style for the Shah Jahan of AH 1037-68 (Shihab al din Shah Jahan), but I do not find this one in his coins in MWI at least.
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 05:37:27 PM »
You are correct. I was mistakenly looking at the regnal years for Shah Jahan II. For Shah Jahan, RY 14 would be about 1641 CE.
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 05:45:18 PM »
Thank you. I was wondering if I was losing it there for a minute. :)

Well, while we don't have exact cataloguing, we definitely seem to have Shah Jahan (thus Mughal), year 14 (AH 1051 or thereabouts). Size seems consistent with half rupees. Wonder if this is a type not in most catalogs?
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2019, 05:48:44 PM »
Yes, I agree. I didn't see this type in a quick look at Krause and Zeno. However, neither of these sources shows photos of all the types of Shah Jahan half rupees. Krause doesn't give photos of many of them, and Zeno can't be considered comprehensive.

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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2019, 05:59:41 PM »
I searched for Shah Jahan half rupees on Zeno and didn't come up with anything that really fit this one either. If we had a guess at the mint, that would go far.
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2019, 06:03:14 PM »
Yes, you have a pretty good attribution. If you see any evidence of the mint Shahjahanabad, that would help. I don't have any suggestions regarding the mint.

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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2019, 06:10:22 PM »
I appreciate all your input, which has helped get much closer to a full attribution. I can't help but think it might be in one of the areas of issue that are sort of ancillary to his primary reign, on the reasoning that the type differs markedly from his mainstream.
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2019, 09:07:00 PM »
 legend is :"Ghazi / Muhammad Shah Jahan / shihab al-din"
I think that's a 1/2 rupee of Ujjain mint; the mint name is placed at bottom of the Kalima, unfortunately out of flan on this coin (there is only the "b" of "zarb" present at bottom)
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Re: 1/2 rupee size AR
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2019, 10:10:03 PM »
Excellent, Saro, thank you.
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Re: Shah Jahan. 1/2 Rupee. Mint: Ujjain(?)
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2019, 10:40:43 PM »
So it's Shahjahan Senior, not Shah Jahan II. Correct?

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2019, 10:57:41 PM »
That's correct to my knowledge.
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Re: Shah Jahan. 1/2 Rupee. Mint: Ujjain(?)
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2019, 05:46:14 AM »
So it's Shahjahan Senior, not Shah Jahan II. Correct?
A basic trick to differentiate between rulers having same names is to look at the RY. In most cases one of the rulers would have had a longer reign while the others had a short one.

Here the RY IS 14. That rules out both Shah Jahan II as well as III.

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