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Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967, KM#22.??
« on: October 27, 2009, 02:51:34 PM »
Is this also Akbar, Narnol? Could some one please confirm the date as AH 967.
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Re: Akbar, AH 967?
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 03:05:29 PM »
I agree with your observation regarding the year. The mint name seems to read Alwar.

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Re: Akbar, AH 967 1/2 Dam (NISFI), Alwar Mint?
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 03:49:26 PM »
Overlord,
Thanks for the confirmation.

Edit on 1 Nov 09: Coin weight is 10.4g. Hence a Half Dam or NISFI.
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Re: Akbar, AH 967?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2009, 06:44:32 AM »
I agree with your observation regarding the year. The mint name seems to read Alwar.
I have been confused by this attribution. Alwar did mint Dams in the times of Akbar. The years recorded by Liddle are 965, 967, 968 - 73, 976 & 977 (Type C-1). However in the older Standard catalogue od South Asian Coins or on the website of Numismaster I did not find a listing of a single fractional dam from Alwar. Even Liddle does not list them. The weight of my coin is within the range of the NISFI or 1/2 Dam. So would this be an unlisted mint or is there an error in reading the mint?
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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2009, 09:11:00 PM »
You are making an interesting observation Amit.  Perhaps there are fewer fractional coppers published?
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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2009, 02:06:56 AM »
Richie,

The Nisfi or 1/2 Dam of Akbar as listed by Liddle for coins with dates either in neumerals or persian words as well as mint name are Agra, Ahmedabad, Akbarpur Tanda, Awadh, Bahraich, Baitata, Dogaon, Fatehpur, Gorakhpur, Gwalior, Hazrat Delhi, Hissar-Firoza, Kalpi, Lahore, Lakhnau, Narnol & Quannauj. There are other series of coins which are undated coins w/o mint names, coins w/o mint names but having dates and coins of Ujjain & Kashmir listed under different sub-headings.

The list on Numismaster includes, besides most mints listed by Liddle, Burhanabad, Ahmadnagar, Ujjain & Quannauj in the same list; though some mints from Liddle's list are not mentioned by KM.

This would definately show that fractional Dams of Akbar were not always minted by mints which minted Dams and also the fact that the coins were not as widely used as the Dams in those days.

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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 12:11:31 AM »
YIKES!  This is rather sophisticated.  Dam, I am a Liddle behind the times!  :D
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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 06:00:31 AM »
YIKES!  This is rather sophisticated.  Dam, I am a Liddle behind the times!  :D
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Nice. P(F)UN to read it.
I had put this up to find out a little more on the coins of these times. Hope I can get a clarification.
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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 11:09:21 PM »
I hope so too Amit.
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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2010, 05:42:29 PM »
Oesho has also attributed this coin to Alwar on Zeno. Is this an unlisted mint for Nisfi?

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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2010, 11:41:13 AM »
Is this an unlisted mint for Nisfi?

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No, it is listed under KM#22.16

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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2010, 12:15:45 PM »
Oesho,

Thank you for the information.

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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 08:01:30 AM »
No, it is listed under KM#22.16

Dear Oesho,

KM#22.16 is a Nisfi of Narnol on Numismaster. Type 22 lists 21 mints from 22.1 to 22.21. However, I did not find any reference for 22.13 & 22,19. Is Alwar one of them?

KM#22.17 is Qunauj
KM#22.18 is Ahmadabad.
KM#22.20 is Ahmadnagar
KM#22.21 is Ujjain

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Re: Akbar, 1/2 Dam, Mint: Alwar, AH 967, KM#22.16
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 10:59:23 AM »
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KM#22.16 is a Nisfi of Narnol on Numismaster.

Yes, you are right, I don't know feom where I got this number.
I haven't so far used Numismaster (don't know how) and can't say much about the other catalogue numbers.
As you know, I hate KM-numbers, but they seems so far the best of the worst.