Author Topic: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali  (Read 988 times)

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Offline maudry

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The style of this coin reminds me a Safavid coin.
The 4 however is not Persian  ???
Size: 24mm
Weight: 4.69gr
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2019, 05:07:31 PM »
On coins, things are not always what  they look like and here, the date "984" is not a date, but a part of the Kalima... 9 & 8 belong to "Muhammad" and the arabic 4 is the sin of "rasul"
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2019, 06:50:22 PM »
The Kalima in a square area with knots at corners is very similar to some mughal coins of Shah Jahan.
Your coin could be a Safavid one and my guess is that it could belong to Shah Abbas I , contemporary of Shah Jahan ?
However, a reference is still to find...
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2019, 09:52:01 AM »
The coin has been overstamped and the Kalima is somewhat erased but it could be the sunni formula ? and if so it isn't a Safavid coin...
a tanka ora shahrukhi of a mughal ruler or pretender  ???  Kamran Mirza ?
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2019, 10:15:03 AM »
It is pretty educational to think in public, saro. FWIW, the square with knot reminded me of Indian silver, but since Audry most often comes up with Afghan and Iranian coins I didn't blabber. I should have. Very grateful to have people who can read these coins on board.

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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2019, 11:01:14 AM »
It is pretty educational to think in public
Just to try to make progress to a possible ID...

legible parts give : "zarb / al-sultan al-'azam (2nd line) and on left : abual-muzzafar / khald Allah..."
which don't give great help  :-\
on the other face :there is the Kalima with the 4 first caliphs names & epithets of which :" (Ali) "the pleasing of God" and "Abu Bekr & epithet" are only legible at top and on left.
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2019, 11:10:51 AM »
Finally identified ! It is a Timurid tanka of Sultan 'Ali of this type, with a counterstamp " :'adl..yu (or ha).." / my guess : 'adl Shah Humayun (or 'adl Herat)" ???




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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2019, 03:57:15 PM »
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2019, 04:03:30 PM »
Great finding Saro, the counterstamp reads " Adl Shah Humayun عدل شاه همايون ", India. Mughal, Nasir-ud Din Muhammad Humayun (937-947 AH)(1530-1540 AD).

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Re: Islamic coin AH984
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2019, 04:30:50 PM »
Thank you Peter & Maythem; looking attentively at this coin, it is the barely readable word " 'Ali" which was decisive ...
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Thank you gentlemen!
That was an amazing job that you have produced there.

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Dear maudry and Saro, to complete the coin ID, hereunder is coin detail:
Counterstamp reads " Adl Shah Humayun عدل شاه همايون ", India. Mughal, Nasir-ud Din Muhammad Humayun (937-947 AH)(1530-1540 AD).
Host coin, Timurid, Sultan 'Ali Mirza (900-905 AH)(1495-1500 AD), ruler of Samarqand:
Obverse, first photo :
ضرب \ السلطان الأعظم ابو المظفر سلطان علي بهادر خان خلد الله تعالى ملكه وسلطانه  , al-Sultan al-‘Azam Abu al-Muzaffar Sultan Ali bahadur Khan Kallad Allah Ta’ala mulkahu wa sulatnahu, zarb (at the top).
The mint place is at the bottom possibly “ Samarqand سمرقند “ (not visible).
Reverse second photo:
Central Kufic legend in a square with knots at corners:
  لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
   La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasulu-Allah
(There is no deity except God, Muhammad is the messenger of God)
Around in margin, the names of 4 orthodox caliphs with their titles:
(ابو بكر الصديق \ عمر الفاروق \ عثمان ذالنورين \ علي المرتضى)

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Samarqand! WOW. A piece of history indeed. A Persian house, pretending to be Mongols, in fact Timurids on their way to becoming world leaders. What a powerful document.

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Thank you Peter, on the similar host coin, the mint place is clear at 7 O'clock " Samarqand سمرقند ".

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Timurid tanka of Shah Husayn Baiqara countermarked by Babur are known, why not by his son ? : same weight / same look and re-validated with the name of the new ruler...all was fine for the bankers who made business and not philosophy   :)...

The dots on each side of the ornament at right corner are in fact dots of letters "i" of " تضى"  and "b" of " ابو.
 " ; notice that on the left corner, there is no dot  ;)
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