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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2017, 02:59:10 PM »
This is Richard Lobel writing in Coincraft's standard catalogue of 1997 (not sure if there ever was a later edition)
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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2017, 08:31:55 PM »
There has been a big change from 2000 onwards in coin issues.  From then, all eight denominations have been issued with every date (2009-11 and 2016 no standard 50p, but for all those years commemoratives were issued).  Prior to 2000, there were just four main occasions - 1977, 1979, 1980 and 1997 - when all denominations were issued with those dates (also 1992 but that doesn't really count as it was such a tiny issue of the EC 50p).

There's another exception: No £1 coins were issued for circulation in 2016 AFAIK.

You could argue that the situation you describe from 2000 onwards is actually a return to the norm, with the 1968-99 period being an anomaly. In the post-1816 silver and post-1860 bronze series, mintage every year was the norm, apart from several much longer breaks for some denominations (the half-crown and threepence in Victoria's reign, the penny in the 1920s, 1940s and 1950s). The whole idea of micromanaging the coin supply by having single years without given denominations does not seem to have occurred to the Mint then; occasions like the non-existent 1961 halfpenny or the in practice non-existent 1933 penny, both surrounded by long series of date runs, are unusual.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2017, 09:27:24 PM »
I don't count the 2016 old-style £1 coin.  I almost see the new £1 like the £2 coin in 1998 - delayed into the following year.  2016 £1 coins got a belated issue.  The denomination as a whole was only not issued for circulation in 1998 and 1999.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2017, 09:35:32 PM »
I don't count the 2016 old-style £1 coin.  I almost see the new £1 like the £2 coin in 1998 - delayed into the following year.  2016 £1 coins got a belated issue.  The denomination as a whole was only not issued for circulation in 1998 and 1999.

I still haven't seen one of the new ones. I thought the 2016 ones were the "errors" that there's been such a fuss about, or the patterns that didn't get returned to the Mint. If actual circulation pieces dated 2016 were issued, then I agree with you.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2017, 10:47:46 PM »
This is Richard Lobel writing in Coincraft's standard catalogue of 1997 (not sure if there ever was a later edition)
I did actually have that catalogue (and still do).  Subconsciously, I think that's where my comment about issue limits (in an earlier post) came from.  It apparently confirms my belief that coins are struck for circulation after the year date that appears on them, and that they aren't merely stock-piled at the Mint until the banks call for them.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2017, 10:55:24 PM »
I still haven't seen one of the new ones. I thought the 2016 ones were the "errors" that there's been such a fuss about, or the patterns that didn't get returned to the Mint. If actual circulation pieces dated 2016 were issued, then I agree with you.
Seriously?  No, until recently the only new £1 coins issued into circulation were dated 2016.  In the last few weeks, the 2017 ones have started appearing and are now quite common.

The error ones you refer to are described in another topic, which are dated with one date on the obverse and the other in the micro-date on the reverse.  Correct coins should have the same date on both sides.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2017, 09:18:52 AM »
Seriously? 

They don't circulate widely in Sweden  ;D

I will be in the UK next month and hope to get an example of both dates for my collection!

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2017, 09:46:49 AM »
They don't circulate widely in Sweden  ;D

I will be in the UK next month and hope to get an example of both dates for my collection!
Sorry, I assumed you'd been following the posts on the forum about it.  Yes, you should very easily be able get both dates.  Even though the 2017 one has only been around for a couple of weeks, it's become quite common already.  Don't hold out for any £2 commemoratives you're after though.  My experience of the new £1 is that it's made the £2 even less likely to be given to you in change.  It really should have been the opposite.

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2017, 10:36:56 AM »
two more dates from the 1984 coin yearbook,
Old pre decimal halfpenny demonetized 1.8.69
Old pre decimal half crown demonetized 1.1.70

Also, something I never noticed before the 5p/10/50p were 75% Copper 25% Nickel
but when the 20p was introduced it was 84% Copper 16% Nickel - wonder if there is a reason behind the different mix?
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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2017, 10:57:48 AM »
From http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/dec20.html

"While the 5p, 10p and 50p coins are made from a 75% Cu 25% Ni alloy, the 20p is made from an 84% Cu 16% Ni alloy. I am grateful to Robert Matthews for confirming that the reason for the use of this alloy is to alter the electrical conductivity to allow discrimination by vending machines. It uses the maximum amount of copper while retaining a 'silver' appearance. Despite this the alloy is slightly yellower than the usual 75% Cu alloy."

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2017, 12:23:15 PM »
15 June 1998 - £2 circulating coin introduced, postponed from 1 November 1997 and March 1998

Could you expand on this? What happened on these two dates? Are you referring to the two different portraits (Maklouf, Rank-Broadley) ?



two more dates from the 1984 coin yearbook,
Old pre decimal halfpenny demonetized 1.8.69
Old pre decimal half crown demonetized 1.1.70

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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2017, 12:52:09 PM »
Nothing to do with the change in portrait.

The 1 November 1997 date comes from a letter I got from the Royal Mint, which was answering my specific question on the issue.



The March date was the postponed date due to the production difficulties/testing with the £2.  I think that one came from an answerphone message from Customer Services at the Royal Mint in early 1998.  The actual issue date (having therefore been postponed twice) was 15 June 1998.

It had always been intended that the coin would enter circulation in 1997, hence its appearance in sets from January of that year.  This differs from the new £1 which, although struck dated 2016, was never going to be issued that year.
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Re: UK Decimal Coin Issue Dates Discussion
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2017, 06:07:38 PM »
Thanks, Alan71.  I haven't included the double postponement in my topic, but surfers can find it here, of course.
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