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Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« on: January 03, 2017, 04:19:12 PM »
BATEAUX A VAPEUR OMNIBUS /  LES / MOUCHES
(countermark, fly?) / TRAVERSEE / DE / LYON
4.4g
25.85mm
Medal aligned

Elie transport 2.1
The oblong perhaps barrel counterstamp I think contains a fly?  Mouche meaning of course fly in French.

"The "Mouche boat" refers to a neighborhood near Gerland, where this type of craft was made. Numerous shipyards were built on the banks of the Rhone and the Saone in the first half of the 19th century, after a carpenter from Vaise, Fortuné Mauriac, substituted iron for wood for boat hulls.
In the early 1860s, Michel Félizat, owner of a building site in Arles, settled in Gerland in one of the lônes, a dead arm of the river. He bought on credit land located between the Halle Tony-Garnier and the Rhone.
The Danto company and the Buire workshops built the hulls. "Children forged thousands of rivets used for their assembly," recounts Cécile Mathias, host of a "memory café".  The orders came from the Compagnie des Omnibus in Lyon, which crossed the river between La Mulatière and Vaise. These steam boats, numbered, take the name of their berth dock.

In 1869, twenty seven people drowned during the sinking of Mouche 4. In 1866, the explosion of the boiler of Mouche 9 killed three people. In the same year, Michel Félizat won the order for the Exposition Universelle in Paris. Thirty boats, 24.5 meters long and 3.6 meters wide, were delivered at a rate of one per week."

Source: http://www.rhonealpes.fr/554-.htm
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2017, 05:34:47 PM »
Same token without countermark :

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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2017, 07:38:42 PM »
That token is slightly different!  ;)
Token 1: LES MOUCHES - same size
Token 2: LES is smaller than MOUCHES
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2017, 08:54:33 PM »
Redwine, you are the best !

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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2017, 09:02:40 PM »
That's very kind   :-*
I have been looking at my token for some time for another reason.  I expected to get something only very slightly different in the post  :'(
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 09:15:29 PM »
And here it is with a lovely ships wheel countermark  :'(
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 10:29:30 PM »
Interesting history. They have all got flies on them though.  ;)

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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2017, 10:48:31 PM »
I think some lazy B relied on flies looking like bees.  No flies on me!  ;)
No countermarks there or different font sizes?
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 10:55:39 PM »
More like a wasp with those stripes on the back end.  ;D

Yes the Smith only have one listing for this token, no countermarks or varieties.      BUT notice the size too! 21 ???
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 09:01:49 AM »
Wasps, flies & bees now there would be a theme.......  8)
I shall have a search around for more tokens from this series................
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 09:40:52 AM »
I've had a quick look around and one or some of those tokens in your list Mal may relate to the operation in Paris.  :-\  But see borrowed image below.
See https://sites.google.com/site/bateauxtouristes/home/bateaux-parisiens-omnibus-histoire
An extract: "The first concessionaire was the "Compagnie des Bateaux Mouches de Lyon". Then in 1873 it was the turn of the "Compagnie des Hirondelles Parisiennes" which subcontracted its operation to the "Compagnie des Bateaux Omnibus in 1875."

Further info on that site relates to Lyon:
"In 1862, two Lyonnais, Plasson and Chaize obtained permission to operate a line of omnibus boats, commissioned in 1863, with five ships, between Mulatière and Vaise with partial services to Barbe Island, and Neuville.  The line connected Oullins to Vaise and vice versa, with a dozen stops, La Mulatière, Les Etroits, Perrache, Ainay, Tilsitt wharf, quai de l'Archevêché, Saint-Antoine quay, La Feuillée, Saint-Vincent, Port Neuville , Serin & Vaise. It was an immediate success. The tariff was uniform: 15 centimes.  While on land the Compagnie Lyonnaise des Omnibus asked for 25!
The "Compagnie des bateaux à vapeur omnibus", on the point of ceasing its operations because of the competition of the trams, merged on February 11, 1902 with the new company, "Compagnie Lyonnaise de Navigation Remorquage (C.L.N.R.)", founded on 27 December 1911. It bought the fleet of boats on 13 January 1912.

The "Compagnie des bateaux à vapeur omnibus" was bought, successively by the New Tramways Lyonnais (N.T.L.) in 1901 then by the Omnibuses and Tramways Lyonnais (O.T.L.) in 1906. The O.T.L. Put an end to the service which it finally abolished in 1913.
After fierce competition that lasted 50 years, between rail and water in intra-urban transport, the technical progress of rail (steam and then electrification of lines ) overcame the "bateaux-mouches."
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 10:03:55 AM »
And this borrowed image shows the shared name and dates of service commencement.
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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 10:55:45 AM »
No doubt I shall be arrested but here is the entire French section scanned.  ::)

Low resolution to fit it in; four pages...

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Re: Les Mouches, Steamboats, Lyon
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 11:06:16 AM »
Just let me know when you want the pie with the file in sent.......  ;D
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