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Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« on: October 05, 2020, 12:07:24 PM »
Hi I acquired this coin as part of a job lot.
The only information I have is a note with it saying Iltutsmish 1210-1235 Delhi Sultanate.

Could anyone help decipher it please?

It is 17.3mm in diameter and weighs 9.33 grams.

Thanks in advance.

Tom Vallely

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 02:18:01 PM »
Hi Tommyv, and welcome to WoC.

I edited your pictures a bit to have them side by side and rotated so that the text is more or less oriented correctly.
I can only say that this likely was not issued under Iltutmish. Some of the other members may geve you a more specific attribution !

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2020, 04:34:26 PM »
I see a partial date of 62, so most likely either 862 or 962 AH. This weight, diameter, and general style could fit a falus of either the Sultans of Dehli or the Sultans of Gujurat. Beyond that, I was unable to find a match in a quick look through Zeno and Goron & Goenka. Hopefully someone will come along soon able to read it for you.

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2020, 05:29:26 PM »
Thanks for the information guys. It's at least a start, as I have no idea whatsoever in this area of coinage.
Hopefully someone with the expertise and knowledge can help me :)

Tom

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2020, 01:38:16 AM »
I think I see a regnal year 7 at 3 o'clock on the right picture.

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 02:19:45 AM »
I agree with the regnal year. So it might be worth looking for a ruler who commenced rule roughly AH 855 or 955. The two I found who fit this are Bahlul Shal Lodi of the Sultans of Dehli, AH 855-894 and Ahmad Shah II of the Sultans of Gujarat, AH 855-862. However, I didn't see a match to your coin under their listings in Goron & Goenka. And I could be barking up the wrong tree entirely, because dates are often blundered, I could be misreading or making mistaken assumptions etc. So I think the best is if someone comes along who can read the coin.

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2020, 10:20:17 AM »
Dear Tom, on left photo, part of the date and the text "wa al-Din" are clear. Right photo reads Ahmad Shah, so your coin could be:
Gujrat Sultanate, Qutb al-Din Ahmad Shah II, AH 862/1457 AD, Copper Fulus, (AH 855-862/1451-1458 AD)
Obverse (left photo):
قطب الدنيا والدين ۸۶۲
  ,  Qutb ud dunya wa al-Din 862
Reverse (Right photo):
أحمد شاه Ahmad Shah

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2020, 02:23:10 PM »
Hi, Thank you so much for your help, it is much appreciated.

Tom

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2020, 06:06:55 PM »
Hi again,

Could anyone tell me how common or rare this coin is?

Tom

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2020, 07:38:49 PM »
Could anyone tell me how common or rare this coin is?

I think G&G lists it as common.
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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 08:00:22 PM »
I'm curious. What coin number in G&G  do you think corresponds to this coin? The common falus listed for Ahmad Shah II is G60, but to me it doesn't look like the photo matches, and the years are only listed for 855-859. It's possible that the coin in question here is rarer.

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2020, 08:37:05 PM »
I personally don't own a G&G (too expensive!).
I shared the details with a friend (ruler + metal + weight) and he reverted with the rarity index. The coin could very well be different as I didn't share the image.
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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2020, 10:35:04 AM »
Hi, Thanks for the input, but It seems to be a bit ambiguous as regarding the Identification and rarity.

Is there anyone can give me more information. it would be much appreciated, and thank you so much for the input and replies so far, it is really very good of all of you.

thanks Tom

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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2020, 12:49:20 PM »
Gujarat Sultans, Ghiyath al-Din Ahmad III, AH961-968/AD1553-1560, AE falus (80 rati standard). The coin compares best with G555.
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Re: Delhi Sultanate Iltutsmish 1210-1235 coin
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2020, 03:41:11 PM »
Thanks Oesho, that's  much appreciated.

Can anyone post a photo of the G555 coin?

Are you able to tell me the rarity or even the value of the coin.

It would be better if the coin went to a collector of this type of coin., as I am more a collector of British and Irish coins.

Thanks again,

Tom