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Bandar Poeloe Plantation token (fantasy)
« on: January 01, 2009, 10:57:22 PM »
Can somebody identify this token (1892 50 cents)?

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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 12:01:52 AM »
Can you please upload some close-up photos,as the inscriptions are almost impossible to read?

You can use this to help you with editing your photos; http://www.photoscape.org .

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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 01:16:17 AM »
The logo explains hat the pic was copied from ebay, so there's no way you get a better pic.

This resembles an East Asian plantation token. Since the tokens of states in British Borneo, Kelantan and Penang are AFAIK invariably round and undated, your best chance is the Dutch East Indies. The only tokens in that series dated 1892 (Argasari) are round. However, since the token is pretty worn, the date may have been misread. There are for instance triangular pieces dated 1890 issued by the Tanah Radja estate. However, your token is more or less equilateral, while the Tanah Radja pieces are isosceles. Also, I can't make the letters I can read fit.

Buying this piece seems high risk to me. You may end up with a discovery piece or with a fantasy.

Peter
« Last Edit: January 02, 2009, 01:35:17 AM by Figleaf »
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2009, 12:13:35 AM »
The image is little with which to work. 
Not much of an improvement, is it?
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 01:47:13 AM »
Thank you, Richie. You did a great job, but I am still having trouble with the text. I think the line below is - upside down - UNTERNEHMEN (company in German). The Tana Radja pieces are aso in German, but the word is broken up in UNTER and NEHMEN with TANA RADJA on the third side
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 05:34:05 PM »
That helps considerably. The tokens of Bandar Poeloe estate are catalogued by both Scholten and Lansen. The 50 cents is Sch 1024, Lansen 25. Both authors say that the tokens are undated and nickel (Lansen mentions a trial strike in silver), Lansen says it is round. I have seen a dollar of a later owner (see picture). It has nothing in common with this piece. However, Bandar Poeloe has known three owners and there are three metals known:

brass: dollar, 25 cents, 20 cents
nickel: 50 cents, 5 cents
copper/bronze: 10 cents, 5 cents

The three owners were: W. Flinzer (1891-1893), Nederlandsch Indische Tabaks Maatschappij (1893-1897) and Bandar Rubber Maatschappij (1912-?). Flinzer may have been German. However, the owners may have mixed metals deliberately to create a series in different colours and sizes. Lansen says the tokens are RR, the trial pieces RRR. On balance, I think this increases the possibility of a discovery piece considerably. If you decide to buy it, I would highly appreciate a high resolution pic. I can send you a scan of a map that shows the location of this estate.

Peter
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2009, 06:19:58 PM »
I have bought the coin. I suspect it may be a fantasy, but I will investigate further.

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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2009, 10:55:26 PM »
I have had the opportunity to attract Mr. Lansen's attention to this piece. A better picture would be much appreciated.

Peter
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 12:44:49 AM »
here's a scan:


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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 12:47:31 AM »
I have had the opportunity to attract Mr. Lansen's attention to this piece. A better picture would be much appreciated.

Peter

He wouldn't happen to have any cheap copies of his book would he? :)

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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 01:58:00 AM »
That is one COOL looking token!!!!
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Re: Plantation token
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 07:35:56 PM »
Mr. Lansen's opinion:

Pearl border is incomplete, letters are not well aligned, "gut für" should have been within the triangle and the "Co." behind "gut für" has no meaning at all in the text (it is the English equivalent of the German UNTERNEHMUNG). Letters in Bandar Poeloe are not the same as in UNTERNEHMUNG. I would consider this a modern fantasy. All tokens in German were produced by Herrings, who was very precise with his language. This fantasy is based on a Herrings token and does not resemble those of Bandar Poeloe. When my book came out in the nineties, a spate of fantasy tokens appeared. I think this is one of them.
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