Author Topic: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please  (Read 1570 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ChrisHagen

  • Meritorious Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 529
(Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« on: September 10, 2013, 07:42:41 PM »
Greetings,
Struggling greatly with this coin. If only I were better at reading the script... I am improving though!

Weight: 2.91 grams (a fragment is missing, original weight probably 3.2 grams or so)

Size: 19 mm largest diameter, 16 mm smallest diameter

About 1.5-2 mm thick

Thank you for your time and any help you might be able to offer!

Offline THCoins

  • Moderator
  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6 243
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 09:43:05 PM »
I myself am lousy at reading Arabic/Kufic. But some things you learn to recognize at a glance. The text on the obverse (upper picture seems to start with لا اله الا So it is very likely that this is part of the standard text "There's no deity but the one God alone". Deciphering this further won't help you. So i would suggest you focus on the other side. Unfortunately this does not have much detali. Some others here may give you a more specific clue to the attribution of this coin. On first sight however, i would agree with your idea of an Abbasid fals.

Offline ChrisHagen

  • Meritorious Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 529
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2013, 05:47:39 PM »
Thanks a lot! It does seem to have the standard "There is no deity but..." inscription on the obverse.

I will have to check a bunch of these, trying to place it to a certain ruler, and then finding out what remains of the reverse legend.

Offline ChrisHagen

  • Meritorious Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 529
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2013, 04:06:59 PM »
I have not made progress on this, and present what I think are much better pictures.

I am sorry that my fat fingers are in the way ;)

It was the best way I could find to hold up the coin and utilize the sunlight!

Thanks for any insight you may be able to provide.




Offline ChrisHagen

  • Meritorious Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 529
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2013, 04:23:02 PM »
I lack the abilities to tell if this coin is a match or not!

Offline Manzikert

  • Honorary Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1 638
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 07:29:40 PM »
Not I'm afraid: your piece has at least 4 lines of inscription in the fields whereas the piece you linked to only has three. Also, your piece doesn't have the 'rope' border.

Having said that, I can't help any more with your piece at the moment, sorry.

Alan

Offline ChrisHagen

  • Meritorious Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 529
Re: (Abbasid??) Copper Dirham or Falus, help identify please
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2013, 11:54:03 AM »
Alright, if you guys can't figure this out I am afraid to even proceed with this, thinking it impossible.

I've looked as so many now and none seem to match. This is a real mystery.

I feel ambivalent - I love mysteries, but I want to solve it! You all know what I mean  ;D