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Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« on: July 26, 2013, 07:11:54 AM »
The coin looks to be an issue of Akbarpur and there is no place for Tanda. However the date is pretty badly engraved. Please help read the date and also help confirm the attribution.



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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. Please help with the date.
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2013, 09:47:28 AM »
Akbarpur (without Tanda) well exists
The date is "nuhsad ..hashtad" + a part of "eik" : 981
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2013, 12:01:39 PM »
Thanks Saro and Akona.

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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2013, 07:23:45 PM »
Akbarpur and Akbarpur tanda are two separate mints. There is only one type in Akbarpur tanda dams.. But Akbarpur dams comes in 3 variety. I've recently acquired the most scarcest variety and would upload soon
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2013, 08:05:33 PM »
Here is another variety with Akbarpur written straight
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2013, 09:11:46 PM »
The last and the scarcest type of Akbarpur is this one. Note the trilobed structure as mint mark. Help me with the date on this. 981 Is it??
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2013, 09:29:35 PM »
This is my copy of your coin.. The third and last variety in Akbarpur
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 11:22:26 PM »
All Akbarpurs howmuch ever they look different calligraphywise are found with a single date 981 A.H.. Interesting isn't it!!!!
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2013, 03:41:43 AM »
Abhishek, to my untrained eye, all 3 look very similar...........and all seem to be dated 981. The difference seems to be the mint mark and to some extent the position of the words which seem to have been struck from a little different part of the punch (as happens on hand struck coins).

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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2013, 05:03:53 AM »
Lots of differences amitji, yours akbarpur is a highly curvaceous one with our below akbar,, on the other types apart from the difference in mint mark,also the position of mintmark is very different.,,
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2013, 06:56:59 AM »
Abhishek,

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...... yours akbarpur is a highly curvaceous one with our below akbar,, .,,
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.... on the other types apart from the difference in mint mark,also the position of mintmark is very different.,,

Would you call these different types? May be the different type of mint marks may classify as different sub-types at the most. If you see the Later Mughal Rupees or even those of some mints of the Great Mughals, these sort of differences are routinely encountered.

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PS: I think, this brings us to the most crucial point of defining Types and sub types.   
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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 07:07:39 AM »
Well . If the coin has the same words on it in the same order and there is a difference in calligraphy type then it is the same general type.

The style of calligraphy really makes no difference because the dies are hand cut. this is the general rule.

If there is a change of word order then a subtype exists.

Mint mark changes given all other items remain the same produce a new sub sub type.

really the only way in looking at this is to take the mint as a whole and look at the key standard types for the ruler and work through.

There are times when a dramatic change in calligraphy will mean a sub sub type.

order of words and placement is, in general, quite well regulated.

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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 09:46:48 AM »
Thanks a ton Arthur. However, this is in stark contrast to what Abhishek has mentioned about why he classified the 3 coins as different types.......... I think, this being not one of the main Akbar mints, the die cutters were less experienced.......also all 3 coins being of the same date also make me wonder why 3 types in one year and that too when these coins were issued for a very small period (I presume) as all the 4 coins above and the one on Zeno are of the same date and all look different.

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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 11:53:49 AM »
Hmmmm more research needed here.

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Re: Akbar. Dam. Mint: Akbarpur. AH 981.
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2013, 01:42:14 PM »
I have another Akbarpur dam which was separated out of the lot as it showed some green spots. Will try to clean it and upload it in a day or two.

Amit
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