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Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar
« on: November 12, 2012, 05:15:18 PM »
Can't identify this one, seems to have slight similarities with Suri Sultanate  1/2 paisas

10.31g   AE18
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: Sultanate or Princely state coin Bijapur??
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 06:23:16 PM »
A reply on zeno suggests the bottom word left image reads  Bijapur
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Re: : Sultanate or Princely state coin Bijapur??
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 07:23:52 PM »
A reply on zeno suggests the bottom word left image reads  Bijapur

We can think of Bijapur over left image.

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Re: Sultanate or Princely state coin of Bijapur ??
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 03:52:46 PM »
This coin has taken a new twist as it's been identified on another site not as Bijapur but Alwar as a 1/2 dam of Akbar, Alwar mint

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It s Mughal Akbar s Full Name Type Alwar Mint on obverse at bottom and Khallad allah taala mulkah and rev is fi zaman jalal din Muhmmad Akbar Badshah ghagi
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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 12:04:15 AM »
Hmmmm, I can see Bijapur, struggling with Alwar.

Please PM me a link to the other site.

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 10:54:28 AM »
Hmmmm, I can see Bijapur, struggling with Alwar.

Please PM me a link to the other site.

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 11:28:50 AM »
Hi Vic,

Thanks. Please see my reply.

Kindest regards,

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2013, 03:01:06 PM »
Any luck Arthur, do you think it's Alwar or Bijapur mint,  I don't think Bijapur is a known Akbar mint is it ?
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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2013, 11:24:56 PM »
Hi Vic,

Well I have one more person to check with but that is Ansari and he did the original work. There is any amount of interesting readings on these Akbar coins at present as you know.

From my memory Akbar did not conquer Bijapur during his lifetime but given the coin may not be Akbar's and given the stated likeness to Suri coins (although not unusual) it may not be a coin of Akbar.

Perhaps we have a thinking that if it is Akbars it can't be Bijapur therefore it must be somewhere else and Alwar looks close?

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2013, 01:33:14 AM »
I have had another look at this.

The question is "Can we ignore what is to the right of the alif in the mint name? If we can ignore that then Alwar can be read.

If we look and include what appears to be to the right of the alif then Bijapur can be read. (I am ignoring the script style on the other side.)

So let's play the cat and banjo here. We will perform an old trick. Sprinkle talcum powder on the coin and carefully brush it away showing only the high spots. Then take a picture and repost that. We will look more closely at what is around that alif although it looks clear to me. When the experiment is finished the talcum can be brushed away with no harm to the coin. This old trick certainly helps with complex or doubtful scripts.

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2013, 10:34:20 AM »
Thank you Arthur,
looking at the coin in good light I can see it more clearly & I've drawn in red where I can see a part of the script that's not clear on the photo although once you know it's there you can spot it easily. Does this make it more likely to be Alwar?
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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2013, 10:50:09 AM »
well it may say zarb Alwar.

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013, 11:27:10 AM »
However let us look at what is left on that side before we move to the other side to decipher that. Nothing is yet solved.

Note the use of talc, makes things interesting I believe.

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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 12:05:02 PM »
Thank you Arthur, is not Alwar normally spelled as below
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Re: Akbar, AE 1/2 dam of Alwar or Bijapur ??
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 12:22:35 PM »
Well depends on which source you look at. here we have a small flan so the last letter might be missing but one set of records shows no last letter anyway. So there we have a problem.

We are going through a process that is trying to find a reason why this is a coin of Akbar. We have the mint name unresolved. It could be Bijapur or it might not yet be a mint name. Let's look at the top line.