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Offline saro

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Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« on: January 26, 2012, 02:32:28 PM »
This is a small copper coin of 1,35g / 11 mm diameter with full legend on both obverse and reverse.
it isn't catalogued by S.Goron & Goenka, may be this type has already been published?

legend : "Sher Shah 945 / abu al-muzaffar "
among the 3 symbols :there are a moon crescent and may be a star or sun, not clear due to oxydation. (It seems that there is a supplementary "alif", at 5 o'clock on reverse, which has no place for reading? )

The weight fits with a 1/16 paisa. Any information on it from WOC members will be welcome.
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 10:48:23 PM »
Remarkable calligraphy sketch drawn by you , unfortunately my skills are not enough to attribute this coin.

I like the way you have  deeply detailed every corner of coin on drawing.


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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 12:41:58 AM »
An extraordinary discovery. The denomination is known, but the date and legend is new.

As there is so much of green field around the image, I have cropped them together.

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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 12:47:35 AM »
Congratulations saro and many thanks for posting it here. Spectacular coin, magnificent analysis. My day is made. 8)

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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 02:05:22 AM »
and my day also.

I was almost going to report a new date for a mint in my study however I think the writer of the article took a minor liberty in his assessment of part of the date. Perhaps coin in hand might show more.

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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 09:15:20 AM »
Many thanks for your replies.
Sorry, my scans are not of high quality and details like the date are not easily visible on them.
But there is no doubt for the date on the coin which is well 945.
I'll try to post a scan soon...
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 10:26:07 AM »
The coin is oxidized with a nice brown patina. Here a new picture which better shows the date.
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »
Cropped and sharpen image for reference of all.


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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 12:06:49 PM »
There is a die identical 1/16th Paisa on CoinIndia galleries, 

 http://coinindia.com/GG-D941ff-Sher%20Shah%20AE-MH02.63.jpg

I would guess it's from the same die & hence shows how rare it is as presumably they didn't cut another die for some reason

http://coinindia.com/galleries-suri.html
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 01:08:33 PM »
The coin of Saro and the coin on Coinindia is one and the same coin. If not, one has to do with a counterfeit!

Nevertheless the date is 950 (correctly given on Coinindia) and not 945 as Saro suggests.
The digit 5 is written like a reversed 3 or the Greek 'sigma'. This shows some similarity with the modern Arabic 4.
The small circle is not a 5, but represents the digit 0. This small circle ultimately became a dot.

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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 03:15:04 PM »
Dear Oesho, you are right for the date ! I have realized my mistake after having posted the scan..it's always confusing with the 0 and 5 used at this time.
The 2 coins are same (thank you Capnbirdseye for the link), something which is very strange..may be both are counterfeits ?
I am not able to judge, it looks genuine but now I have a doubt.
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 03:22:46 PM »
In addition : there are 3 "alif" in front of "muzaffar" and " ""bu" (of abu), one is in excess as I noticed previously, such a mistake is curious from a Suri die engraver, may be that could indicate a fake ?
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 04:12:28 PM »
Did you acquire the coin recently  Saro?  I wonder who owns the one on the CoinIndia site ?

I have a 1/8 paisa attributed to Sher shah, also 11mm in size it's part date is AH94* ,when looking on Google to find one like mine I spotted the one like yours.
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 04:36:49 PM »
I possess this coin since september 2009, I bought it from a UK collector of my knowledge, together with other Suri coppers (1/8 paisa D.969, 1 paisa of Biana mint, and common paisa in pretty grade...and genuine, I'm sure!) if this 1/16 paisa is a fake, no doubt he wasn't aware.
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Re: Delhi sultanate Sher Shah 1/16 paisa unpublished ?
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 04:45:01 PM »
I have written the owner of the website Coinindia whether he good give any information about the fractional paisa in his website. Let's wait and hear his reply.