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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2015, 04:36:54 PM »
Neither am I small nor have big eyes. I have this document in big size.
I have this as a pdf file.
This is notification 2014/243, as indicated by Andyg.
I could not attach that file so took image of second page.
The image was very big and compressed it but it became too small.
I do not know how to compress it to only about 128 Kb.
Please send me your email Id by p.m. and I will send the pdf to you, if you need it.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2015, 04:38:30 PM »
No mention of the 1p or 2p though.

Yes.
Apparently, unlike UK, they do not plan to hang on to coin denominations which are no longer "in demand".

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2015, 05:59:18 PM »
Here is the text, with thanks to Pabitra:

SECOND SUPPLEMENT TO THE GIBRALTAR GAZETTE

No. 4134 of 11 December, 2014

LEGAL NOTICE NO. 243 OF 2014.

GIBRALTAR COINAGE ACT, 1990

ISSUE OF CIRCULATING COIN NOTICE, 2014.

In exercise of the powers conferred on him by section 2 of the Gibraltar
Coinage Act 1990, and of all other enabling powers, the Minister
Responsible for Finance has issued the following notice –

Title.

1. This notice may be cited as the Issue of Circulating Coin Notice, 2014.

Issue of new coins.

2. (1) New coins of nickel plated steel, cupro-nickel, nickel brass, mixed
metal and alpaca in the denomination of £5, £2, £1, 50 pence, 20 pence,
10 pence and 5 pence shall be made.

(2) In the making of the said coins, the millesimal fineness or
composition of metals, diameters, shapes and other specifications shall
be as set out in Part I of the Schedule to the Gibraltar Coinage Act 1990.

(3) In the making of the said coins, a remedy (that is a variation from
the standards weight) shall be allowed as set out in the said Part of the
Schedule.

Design of the coins.

3. The design of the coins authorised by this notice shall be as follows –

(a) the coins shall bear on the obverse impression the effigy
of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II with the inscription
“ELIZABETH II” to the left and the inscription “QUEEN
OF GIBRALTAR” to the right and the date below;

(b) the reverse impression shall bear –

(i) on the five pound coin, a design featuring the
Rock of Gibraltar with the value of the coin
above;

(ii) on the two pound coin, a design that featuring
three Dolphins, and the value of the coin above;

(iii) on the one pound coin, a design that features a
Dragon Tree and the value of the coin above;

(iv) on the fifty pence coin, a design that features a
Barbary Macaque, the value of the coin in words
above and the value of the coin numerically
below;

(v) on the twenty pence coin, a design that features
Candytuft flowers, the value of the coin in words
above and the value of the coin numerically
below;

(vi) on the ten pence coin, a design that features a
Barbary Partridge, the value of the coin in words
above and the value of the coin numerically
below;

(vii) on the five pence coin, a design that features a
Dama De Noche flower, the value of the coin in
words above and the value of the coin
numerically below.

Legal Tender.

4. The said coins shall be current and legal tender in Gibraltar.

Dated 11th December, 2014.

F R PICARDO,

Minister responsible for finance.

GIBRALTAR GAZETTE, No 4134, Thursday 11 December, 2014
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2015, 06:03:15 PM »
So apart from the Dragon Tree and the Dama de Noche flower, Gibraltar is just moving old themes onto different denominations.
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2015, 07:01:25 PM »
Yes. All designs are changed from 2012 series except 5 Pounds.
Let us see which metallic/ alloys as well as weights are affected. You can not be sure of thickness and diameter too, in view of rather vague wording with alloys specifically for each coin and total silence on size and shape.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2015, 08:08:23 PM »
Yes. All designs are changed from 2012 series except 5 Pounds.
Let us see which metallic/ alloys as well as weights are affected. You can not be sure of thickness and diameter too, in view of rather vague wording with alloys specifically for each coin and total silence on size and shape.

Coin specifications are in the original legislation, thus we must assume for the moment that they have remained unchanged apart from the aforementioned 5p and 10p.

Once my computer is on line again (instead of this phone) I'll dig out the relevant bits.
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2015, 09:04:23 PM »
Coin specifications are in the original legislation, thus we must assume for the moment that they have remained unchanged apart from the aforementioned 5p and 10p.

Once my computer is on line again (instead of this phone) I'll dig out the relevant bits.

The present legal notice does not restrict Nickel plated steel specifically to just 5 and 10 p.
Similarly, repetition of old theme on different denominations, can not be taken to mean that the exact designs will be same as the old ones.
Any information, you dig out, will be useful.
Images of the coins will also be eagerly awaited.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2015, 12:24:44 AM »
The present legal notice does not restrict Nickel plated steel specifically to just 5 and 10 p.
Similarly, repetition of old theme on different denominations, can not be taken to mean that the exact designs will be same as the old ones.
Any information, you dig out, will be useful.
Images of the coins will also be eagerly awaited.

2014/247 specifically amends the Gibraltar coinage act to insert "plated steel" into the descriptions for the materials for just the 5p and 10p.  A further notice will be required to change anything else above and beyond this, such as sizes/ materials of the other coins.
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2015, 12:37:20 AM »
Then which coins does
" mixed metal and alpaca"
refer to in notice 243.

Your reference is to legal notice 247 , which is later and I did not have access to it till now.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2015, 12:49:01 AM »
Then which coins does
" mixed metal and alpaca"
refer to in notice 243.

That needs to be taken in context with the following two paragraphs -

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(2) In the making of the said coins, the millesimal fineness or
composition of metals, diameters, shapes and other specifications shall
be as set out in Part I of the Schedule to the Gibraltar Coinage Act 1990.

(3) In the making of the said coins, a remedy (that is a variation from
the standards weight) shall be allowed as set out in the said Part of the
Schedule.

Thus the metals/sizes/shapes are the same as those set out in the Gibraltar coinage act 1990 according to this notice.  Then afterwards (as you rightly point out) the 5p and 10p metals were amended.

btw, I do not know which the "mixed metals and alpaca" (German silver) refer too either!
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2015, 09:04:17 PM »
Don't the South Americans use the term "alpaca" for their Aluminium-Nickel-Bronze.....  That sort of alloy will be what Tower Mint use for the 5 Pounds coins for Gibraltar... instead of Virenium that Pobjoy Mint used to use the Virenium being Pobjoy's "own" material....  Though I do not have a Gibraltar 5 Pound coin from the Tower Mint.

Mixed metals...  =  ringed Bi-metallic   ...  likely.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2015, 10:00:45 PM »
These are the coins of the new series that were issued so far:

                   
                                   
                                       

 
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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2015, 02:02:37 AM »
Lower denomination coins tend to suffer from poor quality control operations but even then, these 5 and 50 pence are very poorly struck.

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2015, 09:33:57 PM »
Since the last update I added the 10 pence coin and now also the 2 pounds coin which also features a new design (dolphins).

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Re: Comments on "Milestones in the decimal coinage of Gibraltar"
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2015, 03:17:00 AM »
From which mint?

Perhaps they have set up a mint by getting a striking press and buying off the shelf blanks :-)