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Title: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 07, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
Out exploring with the family and we came across a small horde of transportation tokens (had to buy them, of course :-)  Thought I should post!  First one is a 1922 Schenectady Railway Co. token, New York.  I forgot to add, as always any and all in puts are always welcome on the thread :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 07, 2020, 09:55:19 PM
I thought this was a nice one as well...Washington D.C. Capital Transit token, 1933-1955.  Token jack-pot :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 07, 2020, 09:59:22 PM
If you want to delve into these further, you probably want to get hold of the Attwood-Coffee catalogue of North American transit tokens. But be warned: you will be enticed into a bottomless pit of states, towns, companies and variants from which you will never resurface  ;D
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 07, 2020, 10:04:54 PM
Thank you for the warning...I'm a little scared now!  I'll have to look into that catalogue, though.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 08, 2020, 11:07:03 AM
If you want to delve into these further, you probably want to get hold of the Attwood-Coffee catalogue of North American transit tokens. But be warned: you will be enticed into a bottomless pit of states, towns, companies and variants from which you will never resurface  ;D
Agreed, the books are huge and sometimes confusing. I had a set years ago but rarely used them as I wasn't a serious collector...not sure why I even bought them. I eventually donated them to my coin club.

Thank you for the warning...I'm a little scared now!  I'll have to look into that catalogue, though.
You should be scared, Greg. Take FosseWay's advice and proceed with caution. Prolonged exposure will eventually lead to divorce and other unpleasant things. ;D

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 08, 2020, 11:44:19 AM
It's always possible to start small e.g. one token for each state or only tokens issued in a certain period.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 08, 2020, 02:12:16 PM
Agreed, the books are huge and sometimes confusing. I had a set years ago but rarely used them as I wasn't a serious collector...not sure why I even bought them. I eventually donated them to my coin club.

I won a batch of US transit tokens on Tradera (Swedish eBay) four-five years ago. Sure there were quite a lot of them in the batch, around 1500, but when I went to the post office to get the parcel I was very surprised by the weight of it. So surprised, in fact, that I had to ask the clerk to look after it while I went home and got the car, since it was awkwardly heavy to carry on foot for a mile or so. When I got it home and unpacked it, I found the cause: it contained not only the tokens but also a set of the A-C books. I think I paid about 1000 kronor ($100 US give or take) for the whole lot!

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You should be scared, Greg. Take FosseWay's advice and proceed with caution. Prolonged exposure will eventually lead to divorce and other unpleasant things. ;D

It's not got quite that bad yet... (as I look over my shoulder nervously at what my wife is doing)

Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 08, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
I thought this one was interesting...1950s Chicago Transit Authority token.

I am proceeding with caution :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 08, 2020, 06:21:10 PM
Another interesting one...Vallejo Bus Company, Northern California.  I've not been able to pin down a date.  They were founded in 1919 but I tend to think this was late 1940s to early 1950s.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 08, 2020, 06:37:26 PM
I thought this one was interesting...1950s Chicago Transit Authority token.

I am proceeding with caution :-)
Do you remember the band named Chicago Transit Authority, Greg?. The name was later shortened to Chicago because the Real CTA wasn't pleased with the band's use of their name. Pretty thin-skinned I'd say. :)

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 08, 2020, 06:50:47 PM
I'd never heard the story about the CTA being so petty.  I'm not a fan of the band but the wife is so I have to suffer through some of their songs from time to time  ::)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 08, 2020, 07:42:14 PM
Do you remember the band named Chicago Transit Authority, Greg?. The name was later shortened to Chicago because the Real CTA wasn't pleased with the band's use of their name. Pretty thin-skinned I'd say. :)

Bruce

It must be a characteristic of transit authorities. Transport for London vigorously restricts who can use the Tube map and how. There is an anagram version that pops up here and there on the net from time to time, but every time it does, TfL get their lawyers on the case and it disappears again. Some of the anagrams are very funny: Wifely Stench, Frog Innard and Thermohaline Warts 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5  :)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 08, 2020, 09:06:51 PM
I'd never heard the story about the CTA being so petty.  I'm not a fan of the band but the wife is so I have to suffer through some of their songs from time to time  ::)
I'm with your wife on this one, Greg...one of my favorite bands too.

I'd say suffering has nothing to do with the band, but with the city itself. I think there were "only" 36 shootings in Chicago this past weekend. That's way below numbers I've seen in the past. A seriously dangerous place to live I'm afraid.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 08, 2020, 09:10:43 PM
It must be a characteristic of transit authorities. Transport for London vigorously restricts who can use the Tube map and how. There is an anagram version that pops up here and there on the net from time to time, but every time it does, TfL get their lawyers on the case and it disappears again. Some of the anagrams are very funny: Wifely Stench, Frog Innard and Thermohaline Warts 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5  :)
It's good to hear that Londoners have a sense of humor. It's too bad Transport for London doesn't. ;D

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 08, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
Bruce, while I'll have to disagree on the band I do have to admit that the city has got to pot.  To bad, really, I used to enjoy Chicago.  Same for Portland and Seattle. 
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 09, 2020, 03:29:42 PM
While not as interesting as some of the others posted...Department of Highways, Ontario Canada.  1961-1973
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 11, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
A bit newer, 1975 Toronto Transit Commission token.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 11, 2020, 05:56:11 PM
A bit newer, 1975 Toronto Transit Commission token.
Do you know how these tokns are used, Greg. They don't seem to have a value attached or where they can be used.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 11, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
I know that the Ontario token was used for the Burlington Bay Bridge and Garden City Skyway so I'm assuming the Toronto token was used similarly.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 11, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
Wikipedia says that The Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) is the public transport agency that operates bus, subway, streetcar, and paratransit services in Toronto and York Region., so a public transport token is more likely than a toll road.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 11, 2020, 08:46:35 PM
They did use different tokes for the subways...1975 Toronto subway token.  I'm running low!!! :-(
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 11, 2020, 09:53:00 PM
These types of tokens are what I'm used to seeing. The other two were confusing to me. but then I suffer from "confusion syndrome". Sorry, born that way. ???

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 11, 2020, 09:58:53 PM
The one in reply #16 is dated 1954, so if the one in reply #20 was issued in 1975, they were issued consecutively.

EDIT: the date 1954 is not the date the token was issued, but the date the TTC got the name it still uses. In fact, the style of the token in reply #20 is more like 1954 (when TTC opened its first underground service), while the style of the token in reply #16 looks more like 1975. This is confirmed here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Transit_Commission_fares#Tokens_(1954–present)).

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 11, 2020, 10:17:22 PM
You are probably correct.  I believe they ran to 2007.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 12, 2020, 08:16:40 PM
Interesting one...United Electric Railways, Rhode Island, 1921-1926.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 13, 2020, 07:10:34 AM
You are probably correct.  I believe they ran to 2007.

See my edit in Reply #22. They ran to November 2006, when they were replaced by a bi-metallic token.

Peter

Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 13, 2020, 11:49:14 AM
Interesting one...United Electric Railways, Rhode Island, 1921-1926.
Here's a neat bi-metallic token from the same railroad probably issued about the same time.

I couldn't find any history on the line at all or anything about A.E. Potter. I do like these signed tokens though.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 13, 2020, 12:01:03 PM
Oops, forgot the pictures!

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 13, 2020, 04:20:36 PM
Allow me to help out. The UER is here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Electric_Railways#The_United_Electric_Railways_Company_(1918_-_1951)), so the tokens can be dated 1918-1951.

Mr. A.E. Potter is likely to be a relative of this person (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha_R._Potter) or his eponymous father. He may be this Albert Edwin Potter (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/133502359/albert-edwin-potter). Perhaps this organisation knows more. (http://rihistoriccemeteries.org/contact.aspx)

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 13, 2020, 06:26:00 PM
Thanks for the history of the UER, Peter. Unfortunately, the surname Potter is extremely common so it's difficult to pin his identity down. A look through Providence city directories might supply more information. I have access to quite a few US city listings, but I'm not sure about Providence.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 13, 2020, 06:55:17 PM
Sioux City Transit Co., Iowa.  1946
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 13, 2020, 10:26:51 PM
A tramway token, sometimes said to have been issued first in 1946. The name Sioux City Transit Co. was used in the period 1944-1953. In 1948, the electric tramway service was ended and replaced by gas busses.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 14, 2020, 02:58:22 PM
Here's a fun one...Honolulu Rapid Transit, 1924.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 14, 2020, 04:16:05 PM
Here's a fun one...Honolulu Rapid Transit, 1924.
I like the Hawaiian transit tokens especially the later ones that have a hula dancer on them.

You don't see a lot of dated transportation tokens either, so having the date is a plus.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 14, 2020, 10:20:16 PM
Sorry about picking on the short Romans...I've not nailed down a date but I think this is early 1980s,  Connecticut Turnpike token.  It's a little rough but I like the design.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 15, 2020, 10:47:01 AM
Fun story about another US civil war, this one caused by this token here (https://www.nytimes.com/1983/06/28/nyregion/new-york-concedes-in-subway-token-war.html)

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 15, 2020, 11:31:13 AM
Interesting story about the Token Wars but typical of government's inability to get out of their own way. At least this civil war was confined to a small area of NY and CT.  :)

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 15, 2020, 03:53:07 PM
Here's an older one...Rockford City Traction Co., 1910-1931.  Rockford is just west of Chicago.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 15, 2020, 04:55:51 PM
In 1910, Rockford City Traction Co. was created as a subsidiary of the R&IR Co. to operate city streetcars within Rockford. Overall ownership changed hands twice again, being acquired by Union Railway Gas & Electric Co. in 1911 and then by Commonwealth Power Railway & Light Co. in 1913.

The first bus service in the Rockford area began in 1919 with Fay Motor Bus Co. operating a route between Rockford and Camp Grant, and by 1920, expanded to include several other suburban and interurban routes out of Rockford, however in 1922, the company was ordered to discontinue the suburban routes because they duplicated the existing streetcar service. By 1930, all interurban lines were abandoned, and the remaining service was rebranded the Rockford City Traction Co.   

Shortly after in 1931, the company was acquired by Central Illinois Electric & Gas Co. Under their ownership, streetcars were discontinued in 1936, and trolley bus operations were discontinued in 1947.

Source (http://www.rollsigngallery.com/034-Illinois/Rockford/page034-Rockford.html)

A number of tokens in this style, with holes punched in the centre to form a letter or symbol came about at a time when electric tramway service was replaced by bus service (a dramatically wrong decision, as we now know). It is not clear to me if they were used on trams, busses or both. Knowing more about that can be helpful for dating the tokens.

Fun coincidence, this token was probably used during the presidency of Harding, who you wrote about today in another thread (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,49315.msg309926.html#msg309926).

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 15, 2020, 06:03:36 PM
I enjoy doing the research on these tokens...a lot of history!
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 17, 2020, 04:18:35 PM
This one isn't overly exiting but I think it pretty old.  I've not been able to nail down a date yet.  TRT Trolley, Virginia Beach, VA.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 17, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
The word Trolley is a false lead. The token is in fact pretty modern. TRT stands for Tidewater Regional Transit, part of Hampton Roads Transit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampton_Roads_Transit) since 1999. This organisation still uses trolley busses, though they are being replaced by hybrids. While trolley busses sound old-fashioned, a bus running on electricity is actually a better investment than one running on petrol or diesel.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 17, 2020, 05:27:41 PM
Thank you, Peter!  That one had me stumped.  I was looking in the wrong direction :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 18, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
1920s (I think 1922) Virginia Railway and Power token, Richmond, VA.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 23, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Interesting little one...1926 Duluth Street Railway Transit token, Duluth, Minnesota.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 23, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
This site (http://www.angelfire.com/mn/thursdaynighthikes/minnrrs.html) says that S. L. Reichert, whose signature appears on the token, was not mentioned as an officer of the Duluth street railroad in 1901, secretary and treasurer in 1905, secretary, auditor and member of the board of directors in 1906 and back to secretary and treasurer in 1914 and 1918. I find 1914 and 1918 a slightly more credible period for dating this token than 1905.

BTW, street railway is an interesting term. Its predecessors were the horse-drawn omnibus and the horse tram. With electrification around 1900 came the need for a legally usable term, as operators needed a license. In a number of municipalities, that legal term became street railway, but eventually, it was replaced by tramway (still the approved legal term in France) or tram.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 23, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
"Street railway" may be a direct borrowing from Strassenbahn. I guess it depends whether US street railways were inspired by German ones - on that I have no idea. By the same token, one can infer that the French tramway systems were originally inspired by British ones rather than German.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 23, 2020, 09:35:43 PM
No idea, but possible, of course, but nothing is ever simple. It is likely that the idea of the horse drawn omnibus and tram came from Britain, as the first French models were made by an Englishman, but the etymology of the word is the archaic German/Dutch word trame (bar, rail), which also exists in French (the parallel threads in a weaving machine).

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: malj1 on September 24, 2020, 12:03:06 AM
George Francis Train (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Francis_Train) is credited with the first street-railway in England.

Amusing that a man named train should start a tramway.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 24, 2020, 07:19:59 AM
Train - tram: a similar confusion exists between Dutch and Swedish. Göteborgs Spårvägar is the company that runs the trams here. Nederlandse Spoorwegen runs Dutch trains.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 25, 2020, 07:57:38 PM
New York City subway token.  This is small one used from 1953 to 1970.  There is a rare version that did not have the Y cut out but it was only used for a few months in 1953.

I've added an example of the later larger tokens.  Same design but bigger.  Used from 1970 to 1980.

Below is a 1980 brass solid NYCTA token.  used from 1980 to 1985.  Looks like it came New York!  :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: FosseWay on September 26, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
Here's a bimetallic one - these are the ones I remember using in NY on various visits between 1999 and 2006.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 26, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
I like that design.  Often referred to as "the Bullseye" token.  This is the first variation with the "SJD" below the "GOOD FOR".  1986 to 1995 for all four variants.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 27, 2020, 12:49:34 AM
The Wife is like a drug dealer!  She figured out that I like tokens and has been feeding me more every other day!  More to come but I'm trying to slow down ;-)  I think she's just having just seeing me have fun.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 27, 2020, 10:15:58 AM
She's a good lady. Chances are she sees you better than yourself. Yes. coins and tokens sedate, but they are not addictive and they are good for your health. I have a number of testimonials from WoC members to that effect. Why resist fun, anyway? My advice: see if you can pick up some tax tokens, like one of each state that issued them. Beyond their simple appearance is the story of the hardship of the great depression and how people coped. Very uplifting. Instead of wailing about the weight of cent coins, the Americans of these times made tokens denominated in mils (1/10 cent)!

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 27, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
She is a good lady :-)  Token of the day...Red Arrow Lines out of Philadelphia.  I believe this a 1951 "red" token.  Kind of an interesting history.
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 27, 2020, 05:30:26 PM
A trolleybus token of the Philadelphia Suburban Transportation Company! Good fun. More information here (https://snaccooperative.org/ark:/99166/w6n924sj). Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEPTA_Routes_101_and_102) is what remains of the network.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 28, 2020, 12:45:09 AM
Another interesting Philadelphia transit token.  1924 PRT.  https://hsp.org/blogs/fondly-pennsylvania/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-philadelphia-rapid-transit-company
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 28, 2020, 07:20:31 AM
A highly interesting article you linked to, Greg. A secretive, infighting governance leading to financial troubles and violent protests. A situation solved by co-operation and listening. Profound lessons.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 28, 2020, 10:56:28 AM
New York City subway token.  This is small one used from 1953 to 1970.  There is a rare version that did not have the Y cut out but it was only used for a few months in 1953.


I've seen a lot of The tokens with the Y cut out, but never without. I wonder why they were only used for a short time. Problems with the turnstiles, maybe.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 28, 2020, 06:07:14 PM
Another interesting one...1920s District of Columbia streetcar token :-)
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: Figleaf on September 29, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
See here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_Washington,_D.C.#The_Great_Streetcar_Consolidation) for a general background, as well as links to the Capital Traction Company and the  Washington Railway and Electric Company mentioned on your token. The many die cracks give you an idea of how intensively the dies were worked.

Peter
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 29, 2020, 09:25:03 PM
Garden State Parkway, New Jersey, 1952.  One of the first issued :-)  https://www.njta.com/gsphistory/index.html
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: brandm24 on September 29, 2020, 10:00:32 PM
An interesting history of the GSP, Greg. I never realized the highway was so long. I drove it many, many times but could never go past a certain point (109 North maybe) because large trucks weren't allowed past that point. Never understood that because we were allowed to go the whole distance of the NJ Turnpike. Anyway, it was generally well maintained and upgraded on a regular basis. Not something you see in New Jersey.

Bruce
Title: Re: Small collection
Post by: gpimper on September 29, 2020, 10:52:13 PM
Bruce, I've only driven it a couple times.  I believe there are parts that are weight limited.  When you compare the construction time and miles GSP was built pretty quickly.  I watched H-3 on Oahu, Hawaii, take 20 years and it's only about 14 miles (if that)!  https://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/02/the-h-3-highway-in-hawaii.html