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Title: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
The Federal Republic of Germany will issue several collector coins in 2021 – the usual mix of gold, silver and other pieces. Here are the themes of the silver collector coins:

€20 Frau Holle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frau_Holle) (from the Grimm Fairy Tales series) | F, 21 Jan (but see reply #21)
€20 Die Sendung mit der Maus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Sendung_mit_der_Maus) (first broadcast 50 years ago) | A, 25 Feb
€20 Sophie Scholl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl) (born 100 years ago) | D, 22 Apr
€20 Sebastian Kneipp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Kneipp) (born 200 years ago) | G, 20 May
€20 UEFA Euro 2020 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,44641.msg292217.html#msg292217) | J (dated 2020), 10 Jun
€25 Christmas – Birth of Christ | J, 18 Nov

These are silver coins (Ag 925, and Ag999 for the €25 piece). The BU version will be issued at face while the proof version will be surcharged. Then there will be the "usual" theme series, each from all five mints (A, D, F, G, J):

€5 Climate Zones (Cu-Ni, colored polymer ring): Polar Zone | 9 Sep
€10 Air Moves (Cu-Ni, transparent polymer ring): On The Water | 25 Mar
€20 Domestic Birds (Au): Schwarzspecht (Black Woodpecker) | 21 Jun
€50 Musical Instruments (Au): Pauke (Timpani) | 9 Aug
€100 Pillars of Democracy (Au): Recht (Justice) | 1 Oct

The €5 and €10 coins can be had at face (the proof version is more expensive), the gold pieces are surcharged.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 04:23:23 PM
Some of the coin designs are already known - those that are part of theme sets. Here is the €100 gold coin; it is about the "Recht" (justice, rule of law) part of the Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit trilogy. In case you have not seen the topic about the 2020 issues: Those are the first words of the German national anthem, and the three values will be reflected on three coins.

Bastian Prillwitz designed the image side which shows the building of the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court) in Karlsruhe. On the left and right, figures and scenes related to jurisdiction. The value side, same for all three issues, was designed by Andre Witting. Interestingly, you see the "Federal Eagle" on both sides. ;D It is the central element of the value side as usual, but the image side also has one, in the upper right corner. That is the eagle from the courtroom, see here (https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Bilder/DE/Teaser/Startseite/Gericht.jpg?__blob=poster&v=6).

Edit: Maximum mintage 175,000 – issue price €809.35 (odd amount because the price is based on the gold price, with a supplement added). 15.55 g fine gold (Au9999), size 28 mm.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 04:43:27 PM
These are the two "ring" coins. The €5 piece is about the Polar climate zone; you see an ice shelf and a glacier on the left, an iceberg on the right, and a leopard seal. It was designed by Natalie Tekampe (image side) and Stefanie Radtke (common value side for this series).

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 04:47:06 PM
The €10 coin is from the "Luft bewegt" (Air moves) series, and this year's pieces is about windsurfing. The image side was designed by Daniel Engelberg. The designer of the value side (of all coins in that series) is Andre Witting. The two coins are the last issues in these series.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
More gold. ;) These are the designs of the €20 and €50 pieces. Both are issued as parts of theme series; the "eagle sides" of the Musical Instruments are the same, and that also applies to the Domestic Birds series. The designers are ...

€20: František Chochola (image side), Adelheid Fuss (eagle side)
€50: Elena Gerber (image side), Erich Ott (eagle side)

Specifications €20: Maximum mintage 165,000 – issue price €240.21 (odd amount because the price is based on the gold price, with a supplement added). 3.89 g fine gold (Au9999), size 17.5 mm.

Specifications €50: Maximum mintage 120,000 – issue price €431.77 (odd amount ... see above). 7.78 g fine gold (Au9999), size 22 mm.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on June 14, 2020, 10:22:31 PM
After the very strong unity design, the justice design is somewhat disappointing. The building is fine and so is the iconic courtroom scene. On the left, I would have appreciated something better than a repeat of an element of the right side. My proposal would have been Socrates, both as defender of simple truths, ethics and logic without regard to person and as victim of wrong-headed justice.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 14, 2020, 11:19:51 PM
Yep, that repetition I find a little disappointing too. The idea was fine - show the outside in the central panel, and the inside on the right, plus something that represents a court decision on the left. But the two side panels are very similar indeed; using a court hearing scene (and then the judgment) would have been better. Oh well. ;) By the way, this PDF file (https://www.muenze-deutschland.de/fileadmin/user_upload/download_dateien/muenz_wissen_download/12_Saeulen_der_Demokratie.pdf) shows the designs, for all three issues in that series, that the jury dealt with.
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 17, 2020, 03:37:37 PM
Here is the mouse, or rather die Maus. (For more info about the show and the character, click the link in the first post.) Nothing wrong with honoring the show that has always been a great mix of education/information and entertainment for kids. But this piece, oh well.

The piece will be partly colored, and should come out in February. It was designed by "WDR mediagroup" (the Maus is a WDR production) and the Berlin Mint; the eagle side was done by Andre Witting. The edge inscription will be "LACH- UND SACHGESCHICHTEN" which is the subtitle, sort of ("Laughing and Learning Stories"), of the show.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on June 17, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
I'm guessing there won't be a non-coloured version as well (how we do it here in canada?)
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 17, 2020, 05:18:53 PM
No. A while ago (Weimar Constitution 1919-2019) they started using colors for one of the (four of five) €20 issues, and that's it. Both the BU (available at face) and proof (surcharged) versions of each coin "theme" will thus be the same, as far as color or its absence are concerned. ;)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 13, 2020, 08:46:39 PM
This is the design of the Sophie Scholl coin. Here is a file that combines various photos (https://www.fembio.org/images/uploads/474/scholl__2.jpg) of her. The top right one is kind of famous; the bottom center image is pretty much what Olaf Stoy, the coin designer, used. That photo was taken in the early 1940s; Sophie Scholl worked in Blumberg (today BW) for six months at a kindergarten (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Stadt_Blumberg#Sophie_Scholl_in_Blumberg) then, between Oct'41 and Mar'42. This war assistance service was required for people who wanted to begin as university students. Less than a year later, Sophie and her brother Hans (she studied biology and philosophy, he was a medicine student) were executed in Munich; several other members of the "White Rose" group were also killed.

The edge inscription of the coin will be "EIN GEFUEHL WAS RECHT UND UNRECHT IST". This is from a letter she wrote in 1940: Even if I do not know much about politics, and do not have the ambition to do it, I do have a feeling, to some extent, of what is right and wrong.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on August 14, 2020, 09:27:11 AM
The portrait doesn't do justice to the photo, but I appreciate the intention. Sophie is seen here concentrated, calm and doing her own thing. I think of her as a very young adult, still discovering the world and not liking what she sees. Wanting to do something about it is natural.

The parallels with Greta Thunberg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg) are obvious. The differences between how their ideas are received leave you with the hope that humanity can survive its follies. The way Sophie died, incarcerated, raped, tortured and beheaded for letting fellow students know what they were thinking speak volumes about the cruel, violently inhuman, incredibly unjust character of nazism. Don't we wish it had totally disappeared?

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 19, 2020, 06:07:04 PM
Would have been great, yes, but it did not simply go away. Guess we are more sensitive these days, when it comes to nazism, or to discrimination in general. Now a death penalty (or worse, mass killings based on racism and antisemitism) in today's Germany would be a different thing; cannot really imagine that. But the transition from a democratic system to an authoritarian one can be smooth. Last month I saw a theater play (one actor only) called Ein Volkskanzler (https://verfassungsblog.de/ein-volkskanzler/) (text in German) which describes a "perfectly legal" way of doing that in this country. Frightening.

Let's talk about treading water. :) In May 2021 another €20 collector coin will be issued, honoring Sebastian Kneipp. For those who do not know him, see the link in the initial post. The coin, designed by Frantisek Chochola, combines a portrait of Kneipp and symbols of his "five tenets" – hydrotherapy, phytotherapy, exercise, nutrition, balance. The symbols can also be found at the Kneippbund (https://www.kneippbund.de) website.

The coin will be minted in Karlsruhe (G) and have the edge inscription "Die Natur ist die beste Apotheke" (Nature is the best pharmacy). As usual, the regular version will be available at face, but there will also be a surcharged proof (Spiegelglanz) version.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on August 19, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
The Kneipp coin design I find basically OK, both the portrait and the added "five elements". I would have placed the birth and death years differently so that they are not upside down. Similarly, on the eagle side the year and the word "euro" are a little oddly placed. All in all, the design could have been worse. ;)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on October 21, 2020, 03:14:50 PM
Just in case you did not know: Next year, around Christmas, Germany celebrates the birth of Christ. ;D

And yes, we apparently need a collector coin for that. This will be a €25 silver (Ag 999) piece with a diameter of 30 mm, weight 22 g ... and ... a "plate" shape. Basically such non-flat pieces are not new (the French Monnaie de Paris was the first, I think, to make concave pieces), but this will be a premiere for German coins. And "plate" suggests a combination of bent and flat. Oh well.

The coin was designed by Adelheid Fuss, attached is the image from the press release (https://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/Content/DE/Pressemitteilungen/Briefmarken/2020/2020-10-21-PM-25-euro-sammlermuenze-weihnachten-geburt-christi.html). It will be minted in Hamburg (J), and can be had in unc (at face) and proof like (surcharged). Mintage, date of issue etc. "TBA" ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on October 21, 2020, 03:27:12 PM
While I’m catholic, it still begs the question, is this a joke? Why has the govt designated the year 2021 to wish Jesus happy birthday?
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on October 21, 2020, 03:52:21 PM
Don't ask me. I am not religious, and guess they simply think this could be a big seller. ;D  (Austria has done that before, several English language countries or territories do it ...) In my opinion this is not better or worse than those Grimm Brothers Fairy Tales pieces.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: redlock on October 21, 2020, 08:01:12 PM
I thought about getting one next year. But the ''plate shape'' is a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: quaziright on October 21, 2020, 08:05:46 PM
Don't ask me. I am not religious, and guess they simply think this could be a big seller. ;D  (Austria has done that before, several English language countries or territories do it ...) In my opinion this is not better or worse than those Grimm Brothers Fairy Tales pieces.

Christian

Grimms brothers were German, so I can understand that as cultural heritage. The Austrians have for long had a traditional overtly religious bent. The christ coin here seems random and odd. Of course I will get one  (I would buy one even with a poop emoji on it because I have OCD, so i must I have the full series)
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on November 03, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
This is the 2021 Fairy Tales coin. It features "Frau Holle" (see link in the initial post) and was designed by Jordi Truxa.

Christian

(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45484.0;attach=90195;image)
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on November 03, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
Just added the (planned) dates of issue. The football (UEFA Euro 2020) coin may look odd at first sight; it will be issued in 2021 but with its originally planned 2020 date. That is also why I did not add the image (which is in the 2020 topic, link in first post) here.

Now this is certainly not the first time that a coin is issued that way. The very first collector coin from this country, the Germanisches Museum 5 DM piece dated 1952, came out in September 1953. ;D The Munich Olympics 10 DM coins all refer to 1972, but some designs were issued in 1970 and 1971. The Otto Hahn coin (to be issued in silver in 1979) came out in Cu-Ni in September 1980, dated 1979, and so on.

So this is not all that unusual. But as we all know, this time the reason is a covidifferent one. :-[ Sports events such as the Tokyo Olympics, or this Euro Cup, will keep their original names too. So admittedly it would be strange if the coin was dated 2021 but refer to an event dated 2020 ...

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on January 14, 2021, 07:15:18 PM
We have a new year but the same old pandemic  :( and Frau Holle suffers from that too: The collector coin with that theme was scheduled to be issued this month (see initial post) but will now come later. The Bundesbank branch offices - where such pieces can be had - are closed for individual customers these days; commercial banks are more likely to be open but prefer less customer contact too. And so ...

The surcharged prooflike version of the Frau Holle coin (€37.50 (https://shop.muenze-deutschland.de/Muenzen/Silbermuenzen/20-Euro-Sammlermuenze-2021-Frau-Holle.html)) will be issued in time, so that collectors can get it in late Jan/early Feb. The unc version however, issued at face, will not be available until 22 April.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on March 08, 2021, 12:16:00 AM
The "Maus" coin (see reply #7) was of course featured in the Maus TV show. ;)  Last month they had an episode which partly dealt with the piece – from the design to the production. I am not sure whether this can be viewed everywhere (could be georestricted) so try it out if you are interested.

Die Sendung mit der Maus (21 Feb 2021) – the part about the coin is roughly from 2:00 to 9:00.
https://www.wdrmaus.de/aktuelle-sendung/sendung_3.php5

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: Figleaf on March 08, 2021, 08:54:51 AM
FYI, I can get on the site, but I can't play the video. There is no error message, but the video part of the page remains black and there is no sound. Same if I toggle around the switches on the right or try an earlier broadcast.

Peter
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on March 08, 2021, 10:25:00 AM
Thanks! Yes, that is why I mentioned the possible geo-restrictions; since I pay the German media/broadcast fee which supports those public networks, I don't have that problem. Some Maus videos can be watched on YouTube, and may or may not be restricted there, but I have not seen this one over there yet.

Well, imagine a short video about how the coin theme was decided upon, how the piece was designed, and how (later, at the mint) some "depth" was added. It shows the silver blanks, the edge inscription, a die, the actual minting process, how the color is added (see attached screenshot/s) ... and how, at the end, one guy uses the piece to buy at a store.

According to that video, the latter is no problem at all, ha – but at least they show, at the very end, how the cashier takes the coin out of the cash register "drawer" and puts a €20 bill in instead. (After all, it is a piece for collectors!) Most of these steps we have seen in other videos, about other coins, before. ;)

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: agoodall on April 05, 2021, 10:03:03 PM
Can anyone tell me how the outer ring of the €10 Auf dem Wasser coin is coloured?
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on April 05, 2021, 11:14:08 PM
For the design image see reply #3. I do not have that coin, but here (http://www.muenzhandel-lener.at/acryl-aufsteller-fuer-5x10Euro-2021-Auf-dem-Wasser.html) for example a dealer sells a display, and put some apparently real pieces in there. Purchasing the pieces from Bundesbank branch offices is still not possible due to the pandemic, and I suppose it will take some time until the Numismatic Office (they have another image here (https://www.muenze-deutschland.de/fileadmin/_processed_/0/f/csm_Muenzen2021_header_abad7c097b.jpg)) ships the surcharged version.

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: agoodall on April 05, 2021, 11:20:39 PM
Thank you Christian. What I’m curious about is what material the blue coloured ring is made from. I’d like it to be niobium but that is usually used for more expensive coins.

Andrew
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: chrisild on April 05, 2021, 11:31:39 PM
There actually is some niobium in the blue ring. But you are right, usually or primarily that is used in silver-niobium coins – and there is no silver in this one. :) You basically have a Cu-Ni central part, a translucent ring, and a colored Cu-Ni outer part.

A description of the composition in German is here; Google Translate should work ...
https://www.muenze-deutschland.de/muenzen-2021/auf-dem-wasser

Christian
Title: Re: Germany: 2021 Collector Coins
Post by: agoodall on April 05, 2021, 11:39:20 PM
That’s good, I like German coins and now I have an excuse to buy one! Google Translate did work well - I used to be able to read (but not speak) German, having been heavily involved in German phonecard collecting in the 1980s/1990s. It disappeared without practice though.

Andrew