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Medieval coins => Islamic world => Topic started by: maudry on January 17, 2019, 04:24:22 PM

Title: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: maudry on January 17, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
The style of this coin reminds me a Safavid coin.
The 4 however is not Persian  ???
Size: 24mm
Weight: 4.69gr
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 17, 2019, 05:07:31 PM
On coins, things are not always what  they look like and here, the date "984" is not a date, but a part of the Kalima... 9 & 8 belong to "Muhammad" and the arabic 4 is the sin of "rasul"
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 17, 2019, 06:50:22 PM
The Kalima in a square area with knots at corners is very similar to some mughal coins of Shah Jahan.
Your coin could be a Safavid one and my guess is that it could belong to Shah Abbas I , contemporary of Shah Jahan ?
However, a reference is still to find...
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 18, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
The coin has been overstamped and the Kalima is somewhat erased but it could be the sunni formula ? and if so it isn't a Safavid coin...
a tanka ora shahrukhi of a mughal ruler or pretender  ???  Kamran Mirza ?
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: Figleaf on January 18, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
It is pretty educational to think in public, saro. FWIW, the square with knot reminded me of Indian silver, but since Audry most often comes up with Afghan and Iranian coins I didn't blabber. I should have. Very grateful to have people who can read these coins on board.

Peter
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 18, 2019, 11:01:14 AM
It is pretty educational to think in public
Just to try to make progress to a possible ID...

legible parts give : "zarb / al-sultan al-'azam (2nd line) and on left : abual-muzzafar / khald Allah..."
which don't give great help  :-\
on the other face :there is the Kalima with the 4 first caliphs names & epithets of which :" (Ali) "the pleasing of God" and "Abu Bekr & epithet" are only legible at top and on left.
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 19, 2019, 11:10:51 AM
Finally identified ! It is a Timurid tanka of Sultan 'Ali of this (https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=167581) type, with a counterstamp " :'adl..yu (or ha).." / my guess : 'adl Shah Humayun (or 'adl Herat)" ???




Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: Figleaf on January 19, 2019, 03:57:15 PM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: aws22 on January 19, 2019, 04:03:30 PM
Great finding Saro, the counterstamp reads " Adl Shah Humayun عدل شاه همايون ", India. Mughal, Nasir-ud Din Muhammad Humayun (937-947 AH)(1530-1540 AD).

Maythem
Title: Re: Islamic coin AH984
Post by: saro on January 19, 2019, 04:30:50 PM
Thank you Peter & Maythem; looking attentively at this coin, it is the barely readable word " 'Ali" which was decisive ...
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: maudry on January 19, 2019, 11:59:50 PM
Thank you gentlemen!
That was an amazing job that you have produced there.
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: aws22 on January 20, 2019, 11:51:16 AM
Dear maudry and Saro, to complete the coin ID, hereunder is coin detail:
Counterstamp reads " Adl Shah Humayun عدل شاه همايون ", India. Mughal, Nasir-ud Din Muhammad Humayun (937-947 AH)(1530-1540 AD).
Host coin, Timurid, Sultan 'Ali Mirza (900-905 AH)(1495-1500 AD), ruler of Samarqand:
Obverse, first photo :
ضرب \ السلطان الأعظم ابو المظفر سلطان علي بهادر خان خلد الله تعالى ملكه وسلطانه  , al-Sultan al-‘Azam Abu al-Muzaffar Sultan Ali bahadur Khan Kallad Allah Ta’ala mulkahu wa sulatnahu, zarb (at the top).
The mint place is at the bottom possibly “ Samarqand سمرقند “ (not visible).
Reverse second photo:
Central Kufic legend in a square with knots at corners:
  لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
   La ilah illa Allah, Muhammad rasulu-Allah
(There is no deity except God, Muhammad is the messenger of God)
Around in margin, the names of 4 orthodox caliphs with their titles:
(ابو بكر الصديق \ عمر الفاروق \ عثمان ذالنورين \ علي المرتضى)

Maythem
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: Figleaf on January 20, 2019, 12:46:46 PM
Samarqand! WOW. A piece of history indeed. A Persian house, pretending to be Mongols, in fact Timurids on their way to becoming world leaders. What a powerful document.

Peter
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: aws22 on January 20, 2019, 01:06:57 PM
Thank you Peter, on the similar host coin, the mint place is clear at 7 O'clock " Samarqand سمرقند ".

Maythem
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: saro on January 20, 2019, 05:15:36 PM
Timurid tanka of Shah Husayn Baiqara countermarked by Babur are known, why not by his son ? : same weight / same look and re-validated with the name of the new ruler...all was fine for the bankers who made business and not philosophy   :)...

The dots on each side of the ornament at right corner are in fact dots of letters "i" of " تضى"  and "b" of " ابو.
 " ; notice that on the left corner, there is no dot  ;)
Title: Re: Mughal - Nasir Al-Din Humayun - AR Mitqal CM over Timurid Tanka Sultan 'Ali
Post by: aws22 on January 20, 2019, 08:15:03 PM
Dear Saro, for the right corner, dot to the right of the knot belongs to letter " B ب " of " Abu ابو "; the dot to the left of the knot belongs to letter "Dh ض " pronounced " Z " of the word " Al-Murtadha المرتضى ", the title for the fourth caliph Ali. In addition to that there are extra two dots below letter " ى ", those you are referring to.
The left corner of the square, to the right of the knot the letter 'A of the word " 'Ali علي ", so there is no dot; to the left of the knot is " N ن " of the word " Thalnoorain ذالنورين ", the title for the third caliph Uthman and there should be a dot which is missing.

Maythem