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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Mughal central government => Topic started by: abhinumis on July 24, 2013, 09:24:43 PM

Title: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: abhinumis on July 24, 2013, 09:24:43 PM
Hi all,
Posting the dam as well as nisfi of Akbar of this scarce mint.. This is specially for Abhay ji.. Do post your coin too.
First pic
Dam. Wt-20.3 gms Ilahi 39 month Aban
Second pic
Nisfi(half dam). wt- 9.9 gms. Ilahi 38 month Shahrewar
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: abhinumis on July 24, 2013, 09:25:13 PM
Half dam
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 06:57:48 AM
Thanks for showing your Gwalior Akbar Coins.

My coin is already discussed in this thread:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,5363.0.html

However, I have another dam of Gwalior, Ilahi 37, which is shown here.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: asm on July 25, 2013, 08:12:34 AM
That is a beauty........Abhay.

Amit
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Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 08:38:11 AM
Can someone please read the inscription in Red on the reverse of the coin, below Ilahi Year 37?

Thanks in advance.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: asm on July 25, 2013, 08:49:07 AM
Now that you point it out, I think the coin is Urdu Zafar Qarin. Zafar Qari n is at the bottom Ilahi at the top including the divider. So Urdu would be on the other side. Such coins are known. I was mistakenly reading it as a month which I thought I was not able to read correctly.

Amit
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Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 09:01:20 AM
No, I am sure the coin is Gwalior only, which can be read very clearly on the Obverse top (Thanks to Tariq, who showed me how to read Gwalior on Akbar Coins).

So, the reverse bottom could be some Ilahi month probably.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: saro on July 25, 2013, 10:45:01 AM
Congratulations ! Very interesting coin which seems to be a mule.

obverse : "zarb falus Gwalior" with a marvellous full die !
reverse, as read by Amit is well :"zafar qarin Ilahi 37" and not at all a persian month.

No doubt a very scarce dam...


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Post by: akona20 on July 25, 2013, 11:19:23 AM
A little bit of history research would be interesting on the date.
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: Abhay on July 25, 2013, 11:32:18 AM
Congratulations ! Very interesting coin which seems to be a mule.

obverse : "zarb falus Gwalior" with a marvellous full die !
reverse, as read by Amit is well :"zafar qarin Ilahi 37" and not at all a persian month.

No doubt a very scarce dam...


Thanks a lot, SARO, for pointing this out.
How common are Mule Coins for Akbar, or for that matter Mughal rulers?

And to get a mule coin of Obverse with Gwalior Die and Reverse with Urdu Zafar Qarin, both hundreds of Kilometers apart, must be a very rare thing in itself.

Abhay
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Post by: akona20 on July 25, 2013, 11:39:18 AM
Mules are rather rare to say the least. Urdu mint as such was a travelling, to use a euphemism, mint so history may provide a key.

This is perhaps the best copper of Akbar I have seen.
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: saro on July 25, 2013, 01:49:26 PM
I just have a look to the catalogue of mughal coins in Lucknow museum and I see that this dam of Gwalior mint with both "Gwalior" and "Zafar Qarin" is in fact catalogued by C.J Brown, under n°1037 ( same ilahi date 37), with the author's observation : "this is a curious example of a careless coiner" .

"Urdu Zafar Qarin" mint has no specific location, but the fact that a such a die was present at Gwalior's mint may indicate that it has been made by a mughal engraver from this mint.

Your coin should belong to a same group of dams struck by this "careless coiner"?

Once again : a scarce and nice coin !
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: asm on July 25, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
Thanks saro for confirming that I could at least read some part of the mint correctly............and Abhay, congratulations for this beautiful coin. As saro says, it has been observed in the past would indicate that more than one were produced and could also lead to a conclusion that the coins were produced around there.

Amit
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Post by: abhinumis on July 25, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
WooooooAOW! Coudn't stop staring at it for atleast 5 mins... I'm coming to Gwalior next month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What else have you got Abhay ji up your sleeves??
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Post by: asm on July 26, 2013, 03:04:16 AM
Well a thought just struck me and since I am still very poor with my reading & understanding of Persian........please do not laugh if I have made a stupid statement but this is my thought how the coin would read:

Obv: bottom to top: Zarb Falus Gwalior..........Rev: bottom to top:Zafar Qarin Ilahi 37

which could be read as

the (Zarb) minted (Falus) Copper coin  at Gwalior (by the) (Zafar Qarin) Victorious Army (in the) Ilahi year 37. 

A completely new type just as we have the Dakhil Chittor and Salimabad Dakhil Ajmer - minted just as the Forts were breached (taken) by the victorious Mughal Army. I am going by the translation of the legend Urdu Zafar Qarin to mean the 'Camp of the Victorious Army'

Amit
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Post by: Abhay on July 26, 2013, 03:42:20 AM
I am really enjoying all the attention this coin is getting.  ;D ;D ;D

It is just by accident, that this coin got identified as a mule, otherwise I had labelled it as a normal Gwalior Dam of Akbar.

Dr. Abhishek, you are most welcome to Gwalior any time.

Abhay
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: abhinumis on July 26, 2013, 04:15:22 AM
This coin should get all the attention it deserves..
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Post by: Coinsforever on July 26, 2013, 04:36:20 AM
I'd enjoyed reading and viewing post from all experts.


Mule of Mughal is an extraordinary discovery , congrats !


Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: Oesho on September 01, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
With the advance of the year 1000 of the Hijri, coins with the mint-name Urdu Zafar Qarin with 'latif' were introduced by Akbar in AH990. These coins were struck at least until the year AH 1000, which coincides with Ilahi year 37. From that date mint-names again appear on the coins of Akbar (except for Ahmadabad, which had all the time continued using its own mint-name on the coins). Some mints continued the mint-name Urdu Zafar Qarin, combined with the Ilahi year, instead of 'latif' (=1000). Gwalior started issuing Ilahi type coppers in yr.37. The above issue must have been issued in the year AH1000/Ilahi 37 and after that continued issuing the same with the mint name Gwalior. This coin must be a mule struck at the very moment they changed from general Urdu Zafar Qarin type to the type with their own mint name.
Title: Re: Akbar dam and half dam mint Gwalior.
Post by: asm on September 02, 2013, 02:47:00 AM
Thank you very much Oesho for this great piece of information. I think you had mentioned this on some discussion elsewhere (most probably on FB) but I did not digest the full importance of your statement then............Thank you once again.

Amit