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Research and reference => Numismatics => Topic started by: Bimat on December 19, 2012, 03:47:23 PM

Title: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 19, 2012, 03:47:23 PM
Just remembered that Israel has issued several piedfort sets before. (Not sure if they still do so)..Any more examples where mints officially issue piedfort sets for collectors? (Split this topic if necessary) (UK has already been mentioned elsewhere (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,19341.msg130850.html#msg130850)).

Aditya
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: chrisild on December 19, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
We can also add China and France (including countries such as Monaco), I think. But I do not actually collect piedfort pieces ...

Christian
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: paisepagal on December 19, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
I thought Australia would be a prime candidate... Alas it isn't ... India does fall under this category... Albeit as a one-off in 1981 - year of child Rs100 54gms...
US should be in there shouldnt it ?
Title: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 19, 2012, 04:18:10 PM
Found few more countries which have issued piedfort coins: Australia (several), France, Canada (I'm not surprised ;D), Mali (probably a fantasy?), Hungary, China, Singapore, Cuba, Bulgaria, Somalia (must be a fantasy), Romania, New Zealand and Tanzania.

The list is quite huge. Exactly not what I had expected.. :o

Aditya
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Figleaf on December 19, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
Many countries have issued piedforts at double or triple thickness, simply because it was the traditional way to get a new design approved. Such pieces are very rare. Usually, they have a mintage of less than 10, mostly in museums.

The countries mentioned above have just tried to bank on the originals by making commercial varieties. Judging from the small number who have done so, the casual coin buyer, who knows barely anything about numismatics, didn't go for them. Original piedforts are a sub-species of patterns (the later ones are often proofs). I think commercial piedforts are closest to bloodless fantasies.

Peter
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: dheer on December 20, 2012, 06:49:15 AM
Piedfort is an international theme ... and there are quite a few collectors who collect such coins across countries ... that is one of the reason that the Indian 1981's got so expensive ;)
Title: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 27, 2012, 03:09:55 PM
So piedfort coins are made intentionally? My thinking (long ago!) was that these are error coins which are struck with higher thickness/diameter (thus resulting in higher weight) so not intended for circulation or for collectors..Sad it's yet another trick to make money... :(

Aditya
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: malawi on December 28, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
sorry for the question ...
what is exactly " piedfort coin" ???
Title: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 28, 2012, 04:53:25 PM
Piedfort: French term for a coin struck with regular dies on double, sometimes triple thickness planchet. Piedforts are not meant for circulation. French: piƩfort, German: Piedfort Dutch: piedfort.

More numismatic terms here (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,686.0.html).

Aditya
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: cj_fam on October 15, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
Does anyone know what was the mintage of Year of Child Piedfort coin of India?
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Oklahoman on January 21, 2018, 07:52:15 PM
I have a crown from Samoa that is half the thickness of a standard world crown.  Is there a history of coins being produced in less than normal thickness like there is a history of pieforts? Would this scenario then make a standard crown of this design a piefort?  I recall an African franc I found that just had to be a piefort.  But it turned out to be the thickness that region wanted for its coin.  Interesting topic.
Title: Re: Piedfort Coins
Post by: Figleaf on January 22, 2018, 10:59:54 AM
It's probably best to weigh your coin and compare it with the weight given for it in Numista.

A thin coin occasionally happened at the time when plates for stamping out flans were cast and quality control was random and in batches. The most likely cause is that at the end of a batch of metal, there was just not enough metal for part or all of the last plate. This is highly unlikely to happen in modern coin production.

Another scenario is that the settings on the rolling machine were wrong. However, when there are rolling machines, technology is advanced enough to have quality control that picks out light coins.

Peter