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Modern Asian coins, pseudo coins and trade tokens => Indian subcontinent: Mughal, Princely states and colonial (1526-1947) => Mughal central government => Topic started by: Adv. Girish bhambhani on February 03, 2012, 11:43:04 AM

Title: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Adv. Girish bhambhani on February 03, 2012, 11:43:04 AM
LOOKS LIKE DOUBLE STRIKE, AM I RIGHT
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Oesho on February 03, 2012, 02:00:55 PM
The coins of this type often show traces that they have been overstruck on older Dams. This coin is identical to ZENO #82126 (http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=82126). Also that coin show traces of being struck on an older coin.
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Adv. Girish bhambhani on February 03, 2012, 03:14:05 PM
Thanks Sir,
regards
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Overlord on February 03, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
Adding to Oesho's comment, many of Jahangir's Rawani-type Dams are found struck on Suri Paisas. I have a few coins that show parts of the Suri Fi ahd... legend. Will post some images tomorrow.
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Adv. Girish bhambhani on February 03, 2012, 06:39:32 PM
Yes sir, do post the scans of that coin struck on suri paisas. is this also struck on suri paisa? or its sturck twice? weight is 19.7gms.
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Overlord on February 04, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
It is struck on an older (most likely Suri) coin, as Oesho observed. This type is commonly found overstruck on older types.

Here are some of the examples I have. As you can see, some are overstruck less perfectly than the others and a significant part of the Suri legend still shows through. I have only shown the part of the legend that I could read. Jahangir's legend is in reddish colours and Suri legend in shades of blue.

Example 1

Obverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS1A.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS1-AD.jpg)

Reverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS1B.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS1-BD.jpg)

Example 2

Obverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS2a.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS2A-JS.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS2A-SS.jpg)

Reverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS2b.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS2B-D.jpg)

Example 3

Obverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS3a.jpg)

Reverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS3b.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OBS3B-JS.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OBS3B-SS.jpg)

Example 4

Obverse The bottom half shows quite a bit of the Suri legend. I can just about make out "ha" of "Shah" and what looks like "(S)her" below.
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS4a.jpg)

Reverse
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OVS4b.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OBS4b-JS.jpg)
(http://i805.photobucket.com/albums/yy340/MajesticOverlord/OBS4b-SS.jpg)
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Adv. Girish bhambhani on February 04, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
Thanks for uploading the scans, It will take some time for me to understand what u have written, but it looks really wonderful what u have drawn.Really great.
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Figleaf on February 06, 2012, 11:30:06 PM
Overlord struck twice. Many collectors (and maybe some scientists) wil feast their eyes on this analysis. What a great way to share knowledge.

Peter
Title: Re: JAHANGIR DOUBLE STRIKE
Post by: Oesho on February 07, 2012, 12:27:50 AM
Also my sincere appreciation for Overlord's work. It has been done really excellent, but it also shows that these ‘rawani’ issues were most probably all over struck old Suri dams, which possibly had accumulated in the Agra treasure at that time.