I'm sure that someone knows how many varieties exist for Bovril. I have these three:
(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/bagerap/bov1.jpg)
(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu165/bagerap/bov.jpg)
and also one for Victoria's Diamond Jubilee hiding in a drawer somewhere.
Will I be looking for dozens more to complete the set? I do hope not too many.
Thanks,
Bob
I can only add the one issued for Victoria's Diamond Jubilee.
'Stimulated' to see the first 'stimulating' one that I had been unaware of previously, I do have the other two.
Back in the early 1970's Neil Todd made a listing, followed by a second edition in 1979:- British & Irish tokens, Advertising Tickets, Checks, Passes &c Ca 1830 - 1920.
From that listing we have these varieties [see below] and one other - Bovril - Johnston's Fluid Beef Company in copper.
I feel they are all in brass and possibly some were darkened as were the farthings at that time, I have five that all appear as copper - but two poor specimens I have of the 'Diamond Jubilee' show brass when the edge is scraped; whereas your others shown above do appear to be brass.
Thanks Malcolm. I've never seen the Fluid Beef Company piece butaccept that I'll have to find it to complete the set. And maybe the different die and metal pieces.
It keeps an old man occupied.
I'll add my other two pieces just to show the different 'colour'
Are they brass or copper? I wonder.
I have the French-language one as well, and I've classified it as bronze rather than brass on the basis of the colour.
Quote from: bagerap on December 26, 2011, 11:28:07 AM
Thanks Malcolm. I've never seen the Fluid Beef Company piece butaccept that I'll have to find it to complete the set. And maybe the different die and metal pieces.
It keeps an old man occupied.
I have found a metal-detectorist's offering... a good space filler! so now we know what it looks like.
BOVRIL JOHNSTON'S FLUID BEEF BRAND OFFICES 30 FARRINGDON S
T LONDON
1 OUNCE MORE NOURISHING THAN 50 OF LIEBIG EXTRACT BOVILLO OR BEEF
Looks like they are asking for a lawsuit if it were today!
Anyone get.....http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220939553300?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Australia was barred from the bidding - I contacted seller who knew there was a problem, but eBay said it was alright - so nothing he could do.
At best I could only save the pictures.
Quote from: malj1 on February 03, 2012, 09:41:17 PM
Australia was barred from the bidding - I contacted seller who knew there was a problem, but eBay said it was alright - so nothing he could do.
At best I could only save the pictures.
That's because he had his postage set to United Kingdom only....
Quote from: andyg on February 03, 2012, 11:46:23 PM
That's because he had his postage set to United Kingdom only....
I must remember to add that remark to my request next time!
...previously I have been successful in getting acceptance.
I saw one lot today with £450 postage - seller says should be £4.50 but he cannot change after posting! ???
There is some rule that means after the item has bids or ends within xx hours you cannot change the aucton or conditions. There is also the possibility that the seller is a complete numpty.
Drop me a PM if you ever want me to bid on a UK only auction!
Quote from: andyg on February 04, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
There is some rule that means after the item has bids or ends within xx hours you cannot change the aucton or conditions. There is also the possibility that the seller is a complete numpty.
Drop me a PM if you ever want me to bid on a UK only auction!
Thank you! The thought of asking someone here did in fact cross my mind as I was rather keen on this one.
'after the item has bids' ...he did mention this was the reason.
One further variety of Bovril token is shown in Food Numismatica of Australia by George N Shea
It reads... BO_VRIL ℞. JOHNSTON'S FLUID BEEF COMPANY 10 TRINITY SQRE TOWER HILL LONDON 20.8mm Æ
Like many other tokens the Bovril tokens were of course also exported for use in the colonies.
Another from the above book that I missed previously, presumably also a souvenir of the Diamond Jubilee.
Obverse BOVRIL ℞. 50 TIMES MORE NOURISHING THAN ORDINARY EXTRACT OF MEAT OR BEEF TEA; Brass, 28.5mm
Here's another ;D
Quote from: redwine on February 16, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Here's another ;D
That a new one! :'( [an order placed here for at least two more] I wonder how many other French examples exist.
In the meantime I have acquired a better example of the Johnston's....
A better example of the French one above 8)
Just received my QNS magazine [Queensland] this has a variety of the token shown above.
BOVRIL / LE PRODUIT GARANTI DES MEILLEUXS / BOEUFS EST LE
An X in the MEILLEUXS and two more words. The other side is normal but another to seek. ::)
8) I shall be on the look out ..............
:o Duly snaffled 8)
Quote from: malj1 on March 05, 2015, 01:33:26 AM
BOVRIL / LE PRODUIT GARANTI DES MEILLEUXS / BOEUFS EST LE
I think that was meant to read:
BOVRIL EST LE PRODUIT GARANTI DES MEILLEUXS BOEUFS - Bovril is the product that is guaranteed to be from the best cattle. The X is a spelling error, taken together with the clumsy division of the words in the legend it seems to indicate that the token was produced in the UK. My guess is the errors and clumsiness were eventually pointed out to the Bovril people, so this token would be harder to find.
Peter
Yes that does sound most plausible. ::)
redwine took over an hour to find one so its a little scarce. >:D
It's very scarce and I doubt you'll find another >:D
10p says, you don't find one! ;)
I am beginning to suspect he makes them himself >:D Don't be shy, make him an offer :D
Peter
Peter, you're so last week >:D
I am considering making some pieces........... ;D
Here's one I made earlier ;D
I've managed to age it, clean it and add a bit of verdigris. I'm good 8)
I had to make up the other side :o
Might have been found in Belgium, so I reckon it's Belgian ;)
20.83mm
2.3g
Medal aligned
PS I've been banished to the garden to grow things................
Well done. Much better than Mal's piece in reply#18. Just wondering if they already had colour coins at that time and not black and white only. ;)
Peter
I was looking in Jetons & Medailles Publicitaires Francais for something else and found to my surprise an entry for Bovril 8)
Apparently there is another version of this (below) out there.
Different size of "-- . --" above and below Bovril - 4.5 or 6mm.
I had to work on that image to make it readable. :o It looks familiar...
I can't see any difference to that in Reply 4 (http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,12878.msg87978.html#msg87978) I guess we need to measure...
Neither can I ;D
I just wanted a picture to show the area of the difference. :-*
I shall endeavour to seek my ones out in the next day or two, I might need a nudge. :(
I found four and they all measure 4.5mm :(
I found another listing which describes this one above:
The bars above PARIS are short, spanning halfway onto the P and S
And the other:
The bars above PARIS are long, spanning almost the full length of the word.
another primitive B/W image of the latter shown ;D ...and in fact this description makes it much easier to spot.
Quote from: malj1 on February 13, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Another from the above book that I missed previously, presumably also a souvenir of the Diamond Jubilee.
Obverse BOVRIL ℞. 50 TIMES MORE NOURISHING THAN ORDINARY EXTRACT OF MEAT OR BEEF TEA; Brass, 28.5mm
There's a French version of this!
I shall endeavour to snaffle it even though it's in dire condition :'(
You may have found a very rare piece? ;) Shame about the condition and the removal of the hanger, I wish people wouldn't do this. >:(
I look forward to a better image too.
BOVRIL / (Eiffel Tower) / BOVRIL
BOVRIL / LE PLUS MERVEILLEU / ALIMENT DU SIECLE/ PARIS / RUE DE PALESTRO / LONDON / 30 FARRINGDON ST
Presumably for the 1889 World's Fair, Paris. 8)
I hope I've got the letters right :-\
7.3g
36mm
Non-magnetic
It looks like a drop of superglue could do wonders for this piece (and might be useful to reinforce the cracks also.
Peter
No, I couldn't do that Peter. This piece, at this time is unique. :-*
"This piece, at this time is unique" :o
Please seek another for me even though that will remove its unique label from your one. ;D
Well, it is! ;D
And of course I'll look for you Mal. ;)
I don't hold out much hope though >:D
Quote from: redwine on December 22, 2017, 03:42:50 PM
BOVRIL / (Eiffel Tower) / BOVRIL
BOVRIL / LE PLUS MERVEILLEU / ALIMENT DU SIECLE/ PARIS / RUE DE PALESTRO / LONDON / 30 FARRINGDON ST
Presumably for the 1889 World's Fair, Paris. 8)
I hope I've got the letters right :-\
7.3g
36mm
Non-magnetic
This Queen Victoria's 1897 commemoration medal is what your piece may have looked like once. ;D ...note the registered design number on the hanger.
Silvered brass, 36.8mm 9.0g (perhaps the tag is heavy)
Nice! 8) But no mention of Bovril :-\
Just to show what the missing hanger would look like and the interesting registration number on it. ...yours would be eight years earlier. 8)
But why no Bovril? ???
I think I may have missed the point :'(
'Cos I aint got one! ;D
see also Reply #14
Been looking at that. That's why i was confused. Still a nice piece though 8)
Quote from: malj1 on February 13, 2012, 01:14:12 AM
Another from the above book that I missed previously, presumably also a souvenir of the Diamond Jubilee.
Obverse BOVRIL ℞. 50 TIMES MORE NOURISHING THAN ORDINARY EXTRACT OF MEAT OR BEEF TEA; Brass, 28.5mm
(http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12878.0;attach=20616;image)
I found one at last only to find its different! 50 times doesn't appear as on this one they've substituted Bovril is infinitely, so there is another out there somewhere. :o
This is pretty much why I gave up on Bovril tokens.
No matter what you find, there's always something else. Out there and tempting you to search until you drop.
Hello everyone
I'm new to this, so greeting to you all from the south coast of the UK.
I've been reading posts on this site for many years, and always meant to join.
Today, I couldn't wait any longer as I have this piece which I thought you'd like to see.
South African medalet 15.2mm
Wow! Great fun piece. Bobs in khaki are of course British soldiers, Bobs being derived from their commander, general Roberts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Roberts,_1st_Earl_Roberts#Second_Anglo-Boer_War). For background, read page 285 of this book (https://books.google.fr/books?id=UZ83DwAAQBAJ&pg) to see the connection with Bovril. That page convinced me that this medal is British.
Peter
Welcome to Woc, Bob. Now that you're finally here you have a lot of catching up to do. :welcome:
Kindest regards,
Bruce
Thanks for the welcome Bruce. There's a lot to read and pass comment on!
And yes Figleaf, I guess I was wrong to call it a South African medalet if it was given as a moral booster to the British troops.
I've not seen another in the UK before, but maybe the majority are now in South Africa where they were taken.
Lovely a nice Boer war token and the first I have seen.
Pat.
edited images although they did display ok on a large screen.
Malj1
Very annoyed to have missed this one, it ticks two boxes for me
This is a nice calendar Bagerap. A shame you didn't get it.
I want to upload a picture, but it fits my screen at 32%. By the time it's 100% it's huge! It's only 126k so will work as an upload, but can anyone suggest how I "compact it", so that it shows as normal size on here?
Ok, panic over. I think I've got it ...
Sorry it's not a token or medallion, but worthy of interest I think.
October 1893, or very thin paper, like tissue
It took me a while to work out what on earth that "banknote" was on about ;D My main point of confusion was linguistic, in the first sentence:
QuoteBovril Limited Promise to pay on Demand the Sum of Five Thousand Pounds to anyone who proves that they ever, directly or indirectly bought Horses of any description, for any purpose whatever.
In modern English, "they" refers back to "anyone". In 1893 English, "they" must refer to Bovril, since "anyone" would require the pronoun "he".
Presumably there were rumours going round that Bovril was made of horses (probably ones from the knackers yard that could no longer haul London buses around).
It may just be someone who spoke and wrote awkwardly. The last sentence, BOVRIL LIMITED have never manufactured any of the constituents of BOVRIL within 5000 miles of GREAT BRITAIN (...) is awkward also. It says Bovril is made from foreign stuff. Even if you replace never by always, the phrase remains odd and the restriction of 5000 miles opens the possibility that there is an unspecified amount of stuff from Farawaystan in Bovril.
Whoever wrote this probably wanted to say the opposite. It looks like the text was written in haste and anger by a person who had enough education to use multi-syllable words, but not enough experience to re-read what he'd written; supremely confident in his arrogant selfness.
Great fun document, Gondwana!
Peter
There's a lot of unnecessary sesquipedalian verbiage, certainly!
But I think the phrase you quote also means something slightly different in 1893 English to how we interpret it. I think they wanted to emphasise that the ingredients were natural and not "manufactured".