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Modern European coins except the euro => Russia and USSR; Belarus, Ukraine => Topic started by: Bimat on June 28, 2011, 10:41:35 AM

Title: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on June 28, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
On June 30, bank of Russia will issue two commemorative coins in base metal in denomination of 10 Roubles “Kursk” and “Orel” of the series “Towns of Martial Glory”. (Source (http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/print.asp?file=110630_eng.htm))

Common obverse:

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Kursk_10.gif)

Reverse of the first coin depicts the relief image of the emblem of Kursk; the inscriptions along the rim say: at the top on the ribbon - “ГОРОДА ВОИНСКОЙ СЛАВЫ” (TOWNS OF MARTIAL GLORY), at the bottom -  “КУРСК” (KURSK).

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Kursk_10R.gif)

Reverse of the second coin depicts the relief image of the emblem of Orel; the inscriptions along the rim say: at the top on the ribbon - “ГОРОДА ВОИНСКОЙ СЛАВЫ” (TOWNS OF MARTIAL GLORY), at the bottom -  “ОРЕЛ” (OREL).

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Orel_10R.gif)

Mintage: 10 million (each).
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on June 28, 2011, 10:47:54 AM
And on the very next day (July 1), two more commemorative 10 Rouble coins will be issued.

First Issue:

Regions of Russia: VORONEZH

Obverse:
In the upper part of the ring - the inscription along the rim: “БАНК РОССИИ” (BANK OF RUSSIA), in the lower part - the year of issue “2011”. On the left and on the right sides of the coin, on the outer ring – the stylized images of the bay tree and oak twigs respectively, going over to the disc. In the center of the disc - the indication of the face value of the coin “10 РУБЛЕЙ” (10 ROUBLES) in two lines. Inside the figure “0” – a protective element in the form of the figure “10” and the inscription “РУБ” (RUB) - visible by turns when changing the angle of vision. In the lower part of the disc - the mint trademark.

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Voronegh_10.gif)

Reverse:
The reverse side of the coin bears the image of the emblem of the Voronezh Region, the inscriptions on the ring along the circumference are: at the top  - “РОССИЙСКАЯ ФЕДЕРАЦИЯ” (THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION), at the bottom – “ВОРОНЕЖСКАЯ ОБЛАСТЬ” (VORONEZH REGION).

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Voronegh_10R.gif)

Mintage: Upto 10 million pieces.

Second Issue:

Towns of Martial Glory Series: Vladikavkaz

Obverse:
In the upper part of the coins - the inscription along the rim: “БАНК РОССИИ” (BANK OF RUSSIA), in the lower part - the year of issue “2011”. On the left and on the right sides of the coins – the stylized images of the bay tree and oak twigs respectively. In the center of the disc - the indication of the face value of the coin “10 РУБЛЕЙ” (10 ROUBLES) in two lines. Inside the figure “0” – a protective element in the form of the figure “10” and the inscription “РУБ” (RUB) - visible by turns when changing the angle of vision. In the lower part of the disc - the mint trademark.

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Vladikav_10.gif)

Reverse:
The reverse side of the coin bears the relief image of the emblem of Vladikavkaz; the inscriptions along the rim say: at the top on the ribbon - “ГОРОДА ВОИНСКОЙ СЛАВЫ” (TOWNS OF MARTIAL GLORY), at the bottom -  “ВЛАДИКАВКАЗ” (VLADIKAVKAZ).

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/Vladikav_10R.gif)

Mintage: 10 Million.

Source (http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/print.asp?file=110701_eng.htm)

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: chrisild on June 28, 2011, 11:52:58 AM
No comment on their "Martial Glory" pieces. :-X What I find strange though is that some of the issues are apparently designed in the "old style" (bimetallic look) while others look like the regular coins ...

Christian
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on June 28, 2011, 02:08:46 PM
Vladikavkaz, sort of the "Dodge City" of Russia.  Wild wild Caucasus Mtns.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on July 21, 2011, 04:46:00 PM
Vladikavkaz, sort of the "Dodge City" of Russia.  Wild wild Caucasus Mtns.

In Russian (old Russian to be exact; long before the XX century) it could mean "владеющий Kавказом" - the city which owns the Caucasus. Or rules the Caucasus. The same name pattern is used for Vladivostok ("ruling the East"), Vladimir ("ruling the World"), etc.

By the way, Putin's name "Vladimir Vladimirovich" means "the man who rules the World, the son of the man who ruled the World".  ;D
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Figleaf on July 21, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
Very interesting, gentlemen. Well, just as Basil is not a Greek king and Leroy is not a French king, Vladimir may not really rule the world. BTW, I thought "mir" means peace?

Peter
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Ukrainii Pyat on July 21, 2011, 09:09:16 PM
Very interesting, gentlemen. Well, just as Basil is not a Greek king and Leroy is not a French king, Vladimir may not really rule the world. BTW, I thought "mir" means peace?

Peter

But "mir" also means world.  An instance of double meaning word in Russian.  In English they are very common.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on July 22, 2011, 06:33:27 PM
But "mir" also means world.  An instance of double meaning word in Russian.  In English they are very common.

Actually, there are three meanings: world, society (ordinary people, not elite), and peace. Ruler of the society was, in ancient times, the ruler of all the known world; so these two meanings were almost equal. The meaning "peace" is not applicable for this case, because in this pattern of the cities names the second part should be the territory which is under control.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Numismaticavisual on July 27, 2011, 07:42:01 PM
Russia 10 rubles "Malgobek" 2011
(http://jeroja6.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/10-rublos-malgobek.jpg?w=444&h=220)
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on September 01, 2011, 04:28:54 PM
Latest issue: Cities of Military Glory: Rzhev; Brass plated steel.

Mintage: 10 million

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-a93qhutXSCk/Tl8mnEYwMEI/AAAAAAAABks/PgGwT9_8z2Y/s1600/ru10r2011rjev.jpg)
Image from WCN

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: gxseries on September 03, 2011, 06:54:58 PM
I like the bimetal coinage. The new coinage just makes it look cheap...

As for the bimetal 10 ruble, I finally obtained the Chechen coin. That didn't come cheap...
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on September 03, 2011, 07:41:47 PM
I like the bimetal coinage. The new coinage just makes it look cheap...

As for the bimetal 10 ruble, I finally obtained the Chechen coin. That didn't come cheap...
Yes, I'm too a huge fan of that bimetallic R 10 series. 8)

I've seen some of the recent bimetallic 10 Roubles commemoratives fetching $40 or even more on e-bay. Shocking..Even these monometallic commemoratives are being sold for $5 there.. ::)

Gotta have 'em all to complete the collection..one day.. :-X

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on November 05, 2011, 10:25:47 AM
Another one from Towns of Martial Glory series: Elets

Mintage: 10 Million

(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/5714-0008R.gif)(http://www.cbr.ru/eng/bank-notes_coins/memorable_coins/current_year_coins/5714-0008.gif)

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on November 05, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
I have a question for Russian members: Do these coins (especially monometallic which are recently introduced) actually circulate? I've been watching them on e-bay for last two-three months and most of the dealers are asking $5+ for monometallic R10 commemoratives and even higher for bimetallic R10 commemoratives of 2011 (I was amazed when a dealer asked €50 for the Chechen commemorative! :o). Looking at their mintage (all monometallic issues have a mintage of 10 million), they should not be so expensive. Interesting thing is that the earlier (2002-2009 and some of 2010) bimetallic R10 commemorative coins are not expensive at-all.. What makes these recent issues so valuable that dealers are asking such a high price (and collectors paying it)? A sudden increase in demand? hoarding by Russian collectors? or just a hype? ???

If anyone is willing to help me in getting these new coins, please drop a PM! :) ;)

Aditya

Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: augsburger on November 05, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
I know the bi-metallic coins circulate, I got one or two when I was in Russia a few years back, as for monometallic I have no idea, i didn't see any!
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on November 05, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
Yes, these coins actually appear in circulation, even in Moscow. But not every day. There are two reasons why the prices are so high:
1) These coins can be damaged just by the touch, by one fingerprint. Of these 10 million no more than 10-20 thousand will remain in UNC grade.
2) The sudden increase in demand occurred a year ago, after the real mintages of bimetallic 10 roubles 2010 were published. At the same time the prices on monometallic commemorative coins also rose because everyone was afraid that their real mintages will also be low. And these prices didn't go down because of the quite high inflation: all prices are rising, and it became unprofitable for coin dealers to sell coins on the previous low prices.

Ivan
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on November 06, 2011, 05:55:32 AM
Yes, these coins actually appear in circulation, even in Moscow. But not every day. There are two reasons why the prices are so high:
1) These coins can be damaged just by the touch, by one fingerprint. Of these 10 million no more than 10-20 thousand will remain in UNC grade.
2) The sudden increase in demand occurred a year ago, after the real mintages of bimetallic 10 roubles 2010 were published. At the same time the prices on monometallic commemorative coins also rose because everyone was afraid that their real mintages will also be low. And these prices didn't go down because of the quite high inflation: all prices are rising, and it became unprofitable for coin dealers to sell coins on the previous low prices.
Hi Ivan,

Thanks for the reply. It makes sense. No matter how expensive or cheap they are, I have to get them.. ;) (But I won't say that I'll have a complete collection of those, I don't think I'll ever pay €50+ for Chechen commemorative! :()

What would be the correct price one should pay for monometallic R10 coins, based on your experience, ciscoins?

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: gxseries on November 06, 2011, 12:51:04 PM
I managed to buy the Chechen coin - it wasn't cheap but I didn't like a hole in my collection. Funny enough, I am missing a lot of holes but I knew I had to purchase it sooner or later.

Now I have to find a folder to make the coins look nice...
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on November 06, 2011, 04:41:47 PM
These are the price quotes from a dealer for some of the 'scarce' 2010 R10 commemorative coins: :o

2010 Perm Krai: €19.90
2010 Chechen Republic: €49.90
2010 Yamal-Nenets: €29.90

So the total of these three is €99.70. ::)

I guess these three have a very low mintage of 100,000-200,000 (each) only which makes them SO expensive! :o

Rest of the issues are relatively cheap (€2-€3)..

Aditya

Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on November 06, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
What would be the correct price one should pay for monometallic R10 coins, based on your experience, ciscoins?

About USD 3 for the real UNC (without any damages, especially fingerprints).
And about USD 0,7 - 1,0 for any lower grade.

Also there were coin cards with these coins. Approximately USD 8-12 for each.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on November 06, 2011, 05:12:30 PM
Thank you very much! :)

The coin card looks great. Haven't seen triangular shaped coin card before. :D

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 08, 2011, 03:13:55 PM
Got some new Russian 10 Rouble coins recently :)

2010: Russian census (Bimetallic)
2011: Elec (Bimetallic)
2011: Solikamsk (Bimetallic)
2010: 60 years of victory
2011: Malgobek
2011: Vladikavkaz
2011: Kursk
2011: Orel
2011: Belgorod

Paid about $2 for monometallic issues, $3 for bimetallic ones, all are in perfect unc condition: No fingerprints, no scratches!

Aditya

Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on December 08, 2011, 08:19:37 PM
Congratulations!

Sorry, I can't help you with the other coins; our postal workers check all the letters and parcels closely.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: augsburger on December 09, 2011, 02:33:01 AM
You're not allowed to send coins or they steal them?

I remember that in Russia you are not allowed to take out antiques, and that means coins from before the USSR existed or something like that. Is that right?
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: ciscoins on December 09, 2011, 08:33:11 AM
It is not allowed to send any coins or banknotes by mail. Domestic letters may also be checked, but not always; and for international ones that's almost a rule.
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: chrisild on December 09, 2011, 10:51:02 AM
Problem is there is a gazillion of regulations - conditions of the postal company, national and (in the EU) European laws, and international (UPU, IATA ...) conditions that deal with what you can ship and what cannot be in a letter.

Here in Germany for example none of the "usual" carriers - be it Deutsche Post, TNT Post, UPS, etc. - will let me ship coins. Practically that simply means "go ahead and send them but do not expect to get any money back in case the letter does not arrive". Coin dealers will often use registered mail and have some third party insurance on top of that.

When it comes to international mail, things get even more complicated. Here is what Deutsche Post says about what is OK: http://www.deutschepost.de/ebooks/briefe_ins_ausland_handlingsbroschuere/index.html (pages in German) Valuable items can be shipped using Wertbrief (Value Mail) but on p. 25 you can see that the maximum amount depends on whether an item is easily transferable/cashable or not. Coins are "Valoren Kl. II", thus the maximum amount is €500 - and legal tender coins are not included anyway.

Also, since May 2010 the mail services in the European Union have been required to do some kind of scan with items that are to be shipped via Air Mail (see p. 43). Those "potentially dangerous" contents would not be coins, of course. But if the mail has to be X-rayed (or whatever they use) anyway, and round metallic items are found ...

Christian
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: augsburger on December 09, 2011, 02:50:47 PM
I used to fly to Spain and back with my coin folders, it was quite amusing when they went through the scanners, their first thought was "BOMB"!!!!
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: Bimat on December 09, 2011, 03:16:26 PM
Sorry, I can't help you with the other coins; our postal workers check all the letters and parcels closely.
Yes, I've heard some horrible stories of postal thefts in Russia. I know many dealers who simply refuse to send  coins to Russia. :-\

I didn't buy these coins from Russian dealer, but they did arrive from some other neighboring Baltic countries. :)

Aditya
Title: Re: Russia 2011: Commemorative Coins
Post by: $$ on October 04, 2012, 05:40:13 AM
New circulating commemorative:

"Cities of military glory: Velikiy Novgorod"

Samir