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Offline Harald

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dear Hindi speakers

what's written on this coin, in particular on the right-hand side? I read "राज्य देवास मोटी याती", but that does not make much of a sense...
I'd love to have this coin, but unfortunately I just got this picture which pretty good, but not good enough.

(apparently I am indefinitely blocked from uploading files >:D ... therefore a detour is needed)


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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 02:56:42 PM »
I guess 'याती' has Sanskrit origin which means 'to go' or 'to be' (but its correct spelling is 'याति' and not 'याती'). 'मोटी' might be of Sanskrit origin as well, but I'm not sure of its meaning. (In Hindi it means Fat Woman ;D)

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 03:18:05 PM »
I think I have got it. It probably means 'Dewas is Big (great) state' or 'The Big (great) state of Dewas'. Does that sound good? 8)

But I still can't understand how did they spell 'याति' wrong. 'याती' is not the correct form of the basic verb 'या'. ('याति' is singular form of third person present tense). Unlike other languages, Sanskrit divides verbs in 3 categories- 'एकवचन' (Singular), 'द्विवचन' (Two) and 'बहुवचन' (more than 2)..

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 11:29:44 PM »
I think I solved your problem. The symbol, which you read as Ya is actually a Pa.
Now the whole legend becomes: Rajya Dewas - Samat 2001 - Moti Pati / Ek Paisa /1944.
(Kingdom of Dewas - VS 2001 - Senior Branche / One Paisa / AD 1944).

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2010, 05:29:48 AM »
Thanks Oesho, I couldn't have been more wrong than this ;D ;D

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 10:32:39 AM »
Hey, it's called learning Aditya and making mistakes is still the fastest way to do it.

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 01:23:48 PM »
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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2010, 08:39:36 PM »
great
 
indeed, my Hindi dictionary says: पाटी = throne (the little spelling difference does't make life easier... ;D )
in fact, I thought that it might say "Senior Branch", but for this I found "वरिष्ठ शाखा". is this correct?

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2010, 10:30:28 PM »
Dear Harald, Have you also tried a Marathi dictionary? The writing is indeed in Devanagari, 'Moti Pati', but the language must be Marathi.
The founders of both Dewas States were brothers of the Puar (Parmar) Rajput tribe, Tukoji Rao and Jivaji Rao, who came to Malwa in about AD1726 with Peshwa Baji Rao I and received from him as a reward for army service Dewas, Sarangpur, Alote, Gadgucha, Ringnode, Bagode, and shares in other areas. Through their inter-marriage with Marathas they lost their position as Rajputs but held the highest rank among Marathas.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 05:05:22 AM »
My mother tongue is Marathi so these words are quite familiar for me ;D

'मोटी' is not a Marathi word but Hindi meaning 'Fat' but 'मोठ्ठी' or 'मोठी' (Motthi or Mothi) is a Marathi word which means 'bigger' or 'senior'. 'पाटी' should be spelled as 'पति' which means master or lord (Wikipedia) So in that case the complete translation becomes 'State of Dewas-Senior Branch' 'पाटी' literally means 'notice board' in Marathi so that doesn't make any sense..It could be 'पार्टी' (party) but again, a mixture of English and Marathi doesn't sound very good.. ::)

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 11:17:52 AM »
Dear Aditya,
It may create some misunderstanding, but on the coin Pati is engraved as 'पति' and not as 'पाटी'.
Therefore the writing is correct. I thought the words Moti Pati were typical Marathi, as Senapati (general) and Sabhapati (president) are words found in Marathi. But from the Wikipedia article I understand that it has a much wider origin.

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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 12:01:43 PM »
Despite its rarity, there are still a few die varieties of this issue. The major difference is the date.
Initial issue is dated VS2000/AD1944
a next issue is dated VS2001/AD1944

Dewas paisa VS 2000-1944



Dewas paisa VS 2001-1944

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 12:18:18 PM »
I'm still reading it as 'पाती'  :-\

I did some work:

original image:



My work: (Compare the characters at 4 o'clock position):



You are right about the words like Senapati or Sabhapati, but  Moti (मोटी) is not a Marathi word..

Of course, your translation has to be right (it sounds good too) but inscriptions do not match exactly..

Aditya
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Re: Dewas SB: help needed
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 12:47:44 PM »
Yes Aditya, I was a bit to quick in replying. 'Pati' no-doubt is written on the coin as 'पाती'

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 12:54:49 PM »
Thanks Oesho! :) The newly added coins are awesome! 8) In your second coin, I read 'मोठी' (Motthi) and not 'मोटी' (Moti)!

Aditya
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