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Offline Figleaf

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 09:21:30 PM »
It is a quartered circle with the date in the quarters.

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Richie the simbol is an armilary sphere and the right ide up is the way i posted the fake coin.Thank you.

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thanks Figleaf and jlcarvoeiro!
Now I know. 
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Glad to help you Rangnath. ;D

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Just as an additional documentation of the coins discussed above herewith a dinheiro (2,06 g.) and a bastardo (10.95 g.) of similar type.
Also a AE 2 bazaruco 1686 (7.32 g.) of D. Pedro II has been listed.

Why describes in the header "FAKE bazaruco, D. Pedro II"? I don't think there is any reason to describe it as a fake.

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2011, 01:27:59 AM »
I didn“t wright FAKE bazaruco in my original post , probably one of the moderators did because my doubt was on the dinheiro and not on the bazaruco.Thank you Oesho for your addicional information.

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2011, 02:05:58 AM »
I didn“t wright FAKE bazaruco in my original post , probably one of the moderators did because my doubt was on the dinheiro and not on the bazaruco.Thank you Oesho for your addicional information.

Alas! I am that moderator! 
Pardon for my confusion and I corrected the header.
Oesho, I love your examples, specially the last one.  It is absolutely beautiful, patina and all.
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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 10:13:07 PM »
@Rangnath : Adding more to what jlcarvoeiro said. It is actually a Portuguese armillary sphere, an equipment used for navigation and astronomy. The lines represent the parallels and the meridians I think. It was used to find position on earth's surface using the stars as reference. It is also a part of the Portuguese coat of arms.

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2011, 11:12:57 PM »
Well thank you brokencompass.  Though getting this information from you contains some irony, no?  Sort of like the blind giving the blind his walking cane?
All kidding aside, when was this equipment originally used?  During the 16th century?
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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2011, 11:39:38 PM »
lol good one Richie! I didn't get it for a minute   :)

From reading about it on Wikipedia, it looks like it's been around for a very long time and improvements were made to it through the ages by different people. I think probably since the Portuguese used it for navigation in the 15th and 16th century during their age of discovery helping them expand their empire throughout the world, it was important enough for them to include it in their coat of arms.

Looks like even Brazil kept it after it's independence from the Portuguese.



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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2011, 12:01:18 AM »
These arms were used 1840- november 1889 only.

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2011, 12:13:00 AM »
oh yes this is one, but it was present in every coat of arms since its independence from the Portuguese.

Looks like even the British East India Company had an armillary sphere in it's coat of arms too!

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2011, 01:09:32 AM »
Not quite. It was abandoned in 1889 because the monarchy was overthrown. The new arms show the Southern cross. Also, the arms shown above are not of the EIC (attached) or of the Merchant Adventurers of London (attached)

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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2011, 01:28:58 AM »
Also, the arms shown above are not of the EIC (attached) or of the Merchant Adventurers of London (attached)

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are you sure?

Original Arms of the East India Company. Illustration from A Short History of the English People by J R Green (Macmillan, 1892).
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Re: Portuguese India dinheiro, D.Joćo III & bazaruco, D.Pedro II
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2011, 01:32:53 AM »
this one from circa 1600

circa 1600
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