Indore Paisa?

Started by Rangnath, November 26, 2007, 05:08:30 AM

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Rangnath

The coin is 13.3 grams and 25 X 23 mm across. It is not in great shape, but it is a good coin for me to practice cataloging!  On the obverse, it is minted in the name of Shah Alam II, with a bael leaf off to the right.  The collection of five dots on the left could be a mint indication; Ujjain?  It has many similarities to Km 213 which would make it a Tanka of Mahadji Rao, 1761 to 1794, AH 1175 to 1209. I guess shortly afterwards, Ujjain became a part of Indore when Indore "separated" from Gwalior.
On the reverse is, barely, a scimitar and off to the right three of the four diamonds that one might expect in such a coin. 
Well Oesho, am I close?
richie

Oesho

I just don't know. As from your description I could not make it out exactly. Please add an image of the coin concerned.
As for as Ujjain is concerned, it has never been, nor did it became a part of Indore State. Sindia's possessions in Malwa remained with them until independence in 1947.

Rangnath

I was having a difficult time uploading images last night.   
As for Ujjain,
Sorry for the Dis, Ujjainis, my Bad.
I was confusing Indore's history with Ujjain.
richie

Oesho

Dear Richie,
Pity that the left image (actually reverse) is so poor preserved. As for the right image (actually obverse) is much better. The large cluster of dots looks like a countermark and it?s not a symbol by which this coin can be attributed. When the object to the right is a leaf symbol, it should, most likely, be attributed to Indore. The bilva or beal leaf is a typical symbol of Ahalya Bai (1765-1795). She resided at Maheshwar at the Narbada river, where her palace, high above the river, can still be found. On the coins it was called Malharnagar.
I verified the coins in my collection, as well those illustrated in the book by Sethi, e.a.: A study of Holkar State coinage (Indore 1976), but in vain.
The definite attribution is still waited for.

Rangnath

Thank you Oesho. 
I am sorry that the reverse could not be in better condition.  On the other hand, if the condition of the reverse had been as good as the obverse, I might not have been able to aquired it!
I have little experience with countermarks. The dots below the bilva leaf and the star appeared to be "added".  Is that the area to which you refer? 
I did some reading about Ahalya Bai; an exemplary ruler.
richie

Oesho

Yes, that's what I referred to. Countermarking is applying a punch or stamp on a coin. Sometimes this done to re- or devaluate a coin or indicating another authority.
Last year spring I was in Maheshwar and saw Ahalya Bai's palace and privaty temple. Maheshwar on the Narbada river is really a very interesting place to visit.

Figleaf

Quote from: Oesho on November 26, 2007, 09:30:59 PM
Last year spring I was in Maheshwar and saw Ahalya Bai's palace and privaty temple. Maheshwar on the Narbada river is really a very interesting place to visit.

Nothing like a good travel story. Did you take any pictures? (Hint, hint)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Rangnath

#7
I would love to "see" Maheshwar.  I tried finding something on the web and failed but I did find this:

Dynasty:- Holkars (capital: Indore)
Era:- 1703-present
Area & Expansion:- In the confused  :P (maybe apt if you were nobility but an exageration if you were a serf!)conditions prevailing following the collapse of the grand  ::)   
Mughals and the subtle  ??? entry of the British in India, the Marathas started making overtures  :D  at Malwa. After many campaigns and taking of small regions, Malhar Rao Holkar finally established the Holkar dynasty with its seat at Indore. Technically of course, The Holkars no longer rule. ;) In 1948, Tukoji Holkar gave up all claims to the throne (he had a choice?) and merged Indore with the sovereign republic of India.

I only added emphasis, honest!
richie

Figleaf

Oesho rose to my challenge. Now it's a bit like you've been there with him.

Maheshwar 7063 view at the bathing gaths
Maheshwar 7066 view of the Narbada river
Maheshwar 7075 Bathing gaths
Maheshwar 7080 It's not surprising that the Yoni and lingam are often prominent depicted on coins of Malharnagar
Maheshwar 7083 Same.
Maheshwar 7084 Palace Aliya Bai

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Rangnath

What a treat!   And I'd love to see more! 
Isn't India amazing!  It changes constantly and yet part of it seems to remain the same.
richie

shariqkhan

Nice Snaps Figleaf, I love these Ghats and Architecture.