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Started by Figleaf, November 17, 2007, 12:31:01 AM

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Figleaf

My best guess is that this is a British amusement machine token, since I have a bronze piece with a similar decoration at the rim that has been determined as a British amusement machine token, but I'd like to know What R&W stands for. I presume it's a British brand name or the name of a company that made the machines and the tokens.

The piece is 2,7 grams, 19.0 mm.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

chrisild

Try "Ruffler and Walker". ;)

Christian

Figleaf

#2
Yezz! Thank you, Christian. I googled the name and found the same logo on an identified token. It's British, around 1940.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

Acquired the token linked to above, but in copper-nickel(?) I wonder if the copper variant started life as a copper-nickel clad piece...

9. gr., 30.2 mm.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

africancoins

Your "1" is likely a bit older than your "6" and the "6" is perhaps 1950s/1960s.

The British Macine Tokens book I have refers to the material your "1" and many other silver coloured types (including many other issuers) as "silvered-brass"....  and of course is not not actual silver. Likely it is Nickel-plated-Brass.

However - your "1" is not listed in the book. But it seems that the Brass version of the "1" type you have is in the book (to be sure I would need a few measurements from design elements.

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

Figleaf

Please tell me which measurements you need, Paul.

BTW, the coper piece is not mine.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

africancoins

The "1" either being 7 or 7.5mm or something else....

and

The "&" either being 4.5 or 6mm or something else....

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

Figleaf

The "1" is 7 mm.; the "&" 4.5 mm.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

africancoins

In that case - the type as per your piece, only in Brass (not "silvered-Brass") is a piece listed in the book, amongst those listed for issuer "Ruffler & Walker".

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

Prosit

Here are a couple others.
Dale

Figleaf

May I assume that this is also a Ruffler & Walker token? See edge decoration on first token in this thread.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

africancoins

That is not believed to be to do with Ruffler & Walker.

I have a piece similar to the piece you show - only the "2" on my piece is slightly different.

There are also "1" and "4" (and other pieces) and some have the number on both sides.... others have a dot or star or a stamped letter or two on the back etc...

Thanks Mr Paul Baker

Figleaf

Thanks, Paul.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

malj1

#13
The British Machine Tokens book mentioned by Paul was issued 1986; it was followed by five supplements, I believe the last was No.5 in Apr 1988 after this they appeared spasmodically in the TCS Bulletin for some years. Here is the relevant information on R&W from that supplement 5.  [OCR scan]

328.26(Ruffler & Walker)  As 328.21  Rev.  As 328.21
Brass/28ram.(R)
Note. This appears to be the same die used on a smaller disc, the letters "being close to the appearance of a rim.
328.27   VALUE IN KIND ONLY twice   curved with two dot
spacers around a rectangle with petal spray
above & below/plain rim. Rev.  Same.
Brass/24.5mm. ( R)
328.28   As 328.1:6 Rev. As 328.16 but hand engraved
Nork within wreath.   Silvered Brass/23mm.
Note.  See 394.15 & 16
328.29   As 328. Rev.  As 328.  with MILLER machine
engraved in  rectangle.   Brass/21mm.

Malcolm
Have a look at  my tokens and my banknotes.

Figleaf

That also clears up that there's brass and nickeled brass. I am impressed that there are apparently at least 29 variants.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.