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Offline JeanPar

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Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« on: October 12, 2007, 06:48:51 PM »
What's in a name...

An article of EUobserver of today:

Bulgaria ups fight for Cyrillic spelling of euro
12.10.2007 - 09:23 CET | By Elitsa Vucheva
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS ? Bulgaria is threatening to block a progress agreement between Montenegro and the EU if its demands on using the Cyrillic spelling of the "euro" are not met.

Montenegro is set to sign a Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) - bringing it a step closer to the EU, on Monday (15 October) - during a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg.

But in the Bulgarian translation of Montenegro's SAA, the European currency would be written as "euro" (????) instead of "evro" (????), which is how it is transcribed in Cyrillic.

Sofia is refusing to accept this.

The Bulgarian foreign minister will be very happy to sign the agreement at 12h15 on Monday, but only if the euro is spelled out as "evro" in the Bulgarian contract or if some sort of compromise is reached," a senior Bulgarian diplomat said on Thursday (11 October).

Compromises would include writing "common European currency" instead of "euro"; putting the euro sign ? ; or using the currency abbreviation EUR ? that way avoiding the use of the word "euro" and getting round the issue of how it should be transcribed.

It is now up to the Portuguese presidency to submit proposals, hoping to get to a solution before Monday. EU ambassadors will also hold another meeting early on Monday morning.

But in any case, if the SAA is not signed next week as planned, it will be signed later: "This is not about cancelling the signing of the agreement, it would only postpone it", the diplomat said, putting the matter into perspective.

A particularity backed by legal arguments
Other countries where the euro is pronounced differently, including Slovenia which also uses "evro", have tried to obtain a different spelling of the common currency. They all failed ? except for Greece.

Unlike Slovenia which uses the Latin alphabet, Greece had put forward its different alphabet as an argument ? something the Bulgarians are trying to do as well, stressing the particularities of the Cyrillic alphabet and of the Bulgarian language.

The prefix "eu" in foreign words written in the Latin alphabet is always pronounced ? and transcribed? as "ev" in Bulgarian using the Cyrillic alphabet. For instance, Europe becomes "Evropa", eurozone becomes "evrozona" ? and euro becomes "evro".

The argument has not swayed the ECB however, which insists that "the name of the common currency unit must be the same in all the official languages of the EU", as decided by EU leaders in December 1995 in Madrid.

Sofia points out that this decision also emphasizes "the existence of different alphabets" should be taken into account.

The second ? and strongest ? legal argument put forward by Sofia is the fact that its particular spelling of the European currency figures in its accession agreement.

The document ratified by all EU states before Sofia joined the bloc, says that the euro will be called "evro" in Bulgaria.

The legal service of the Council of the EU stated last spring that this had been a purely technical mistake and asked to correct it ? something Sofia did not accept and the "correction" did not pass.

Counting on these arguments, Bulgaria is hoping to get as much support as possible from within the EU and intends to fight to defend its more-than-1,100-year-old "cultural heritage", as it calls the Cyrillic alphabet.

With the looming SAA impasse, Montenegro's ambassador in Brussels went to see his Bulgarian counterpart for an emergency meeting on Thursday, while alarmed Montenegrin ministers were calling Sofia during the day hoping to clarify the situation.

Whatever the outcome of the "evro" issue, it is unlikely to end here. It will have further implications for other Balkan countries lining up to join the EU and using the Cyrillic alphabet.

The "evro" would be used in Montenegro itself, but also in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and in Serbia who would all have the same problem in the future.

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 11:49:56 PM »
Well, as long as they are fighting over such issues, they can't expand that energy on creating more serious problems.

For centuries, the U was written as V on coins, as the picture shows. (Liard/oord of Antwerp in the name of Albert and Elisabeth, 1613-17)

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 12:13:19 AM »
U and V weren't even considered separate letters until about the 16th century.

Even the notion of "Euro" being standard is a bit strange, given that the various countries will pronounce it differently anyway, so what's the problem?  With the best approximation to the phonetic alphabet that I can manage, English-speaking members of the EU will call it /ju:ro/, the French /oero/, the Germans /oiro/, etc.  Trying to impose a single spelling/pronunciation rule across a multitude of languages shows a startling lack of understanding of how languages work.


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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2007, 02:00:35 PM »
Martin,there's all sorts of linguistic issues in relation to the names 'Euro' & 'Euro-Cent'.In the Maltese language,the name 'Euro' is translated as 'Ewro'.

I don't blame the Bulgarians for trying to tell the European Central Bank & the European Commission where to get off,as it were.How a country spells 'Euro' & 'Euro-Cent' should be up to the relevant country's language regulator.

There's also a debate in the Baltic states about how to spell 'Euro' in the Estonian,Latvian,& Lithuanian languages.

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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2007, 05:04:39 PM »
Even the notion of "Euro" being standard is a bit strange, given that the various countries will pronounce it differently anyway, so what's the problem?  With the best approximation to the phonetic alphabet that I can manage, English-speaking members of the EU will call it /ju:ro/, the French /oero/, the Germans /oiro/, etc.  Trying to impose a single spelling/pronunciation rule across a multitude of languages shows a startling lack of understanding of how languages work.

Being in contact with eurocrats often, maybe I should try to explain. Their problem is not with pronounciation. They know quite well the word is pronounced differently in different languages as they are faced with different languages every day and practically all can speak in different tongues :). Also, it's not because they are particularly dumb (on the contrary) or because of bureaucratic reasons and it's certainly not, as Aidan suggests, being deaf to different cultures.

What they are (overly) worried about is communication. Suppose that in Farawaystan, the local spelling of euro is qxcz. That'd be fine for Farawaystanners, but create what is known in eurocrat parlance as a "barrier to trade". Of course evro or euro is not that much of a barrier to trade, but put yourself in their position: economic theory says that prices should be equal throughout the same currency zone if markets are efficient. Their job is to make markets efficient and prices vary wildly. They get attacked for that, but nobody knows just why those prices differ so much. They are frantically looking for reasons. This leads to all kinds of eurorules on the meat content in bangers, cacao in chocolate, water in beer, but also problems with evro: they want to make goods and prices comparable, so they will converge.

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 12:42:47 PM »
At the Lisbon summit, where the Council (heads of state/government) agreed on the EU reform treaty last weekend, they also found a solution for the euro-evro issue. Since Bulgaria uses a different alphabet anyway, its government can (in Bulgarian-language versions/translations of EU documents) use евро, in Cyrillic characters. In "Latin" that would be evro. This is similar to Greece being allowed to use lepto/lepta, in Greek characters, on their cent coins.

The next series of euro notes (2010-) will have to get a third spelling of the word "euro" anyway: No matter whether "еуро" or "евро", the Cyrillic word is different from the Greek word which ends in an omega ...

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2012, 09:12:15 AM »
This is not the exact problem...

In bulgarian language euro is spelling and writing as `ЕВРО` (written with bulgarian alphabet, cyrrilic, `EBPO`)

The bank wants from Bulgarian government to agree than there will be no sign in bulgarian language on the coins, so we were forced to ignore the fact, that there is no letter `U` in our alphabet and we have to write and read the name of common currency in foreign language and alphabet - this is terrible from all points of view.

If we write `euro` with the bulgarian letters as asked, we had to write `EУРО` (which is not `EYPO`) - and is wery unpronanciable bulgarian usual talk, and was unaceptable.

So the porblem is not the explained in the article...

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 11:06:16 AM »
As per Christian's post, the "problem" seems solved. However, Bulgarians should be prepared for the fact that when they start using the euro, they will soon have a majority of coins circulating that were not struck in Bulgaria and none of those will have "euro" in Bulgarian script. Therefore, it seems to me that we are not talking about a "terrible" issue but about Bulgarian national pride, that should be satisfied by the solution.

Coming from a country with zero national pride and living in one bursting with national pride, I can assure you that national pride exists in other EU countries and doesn't make much of a difference in practice.

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2012, 11:56:33 AM »
Coming from a country with zero national pride

And I thought you were from the Netherlands. Y'know, "oranje boven" and all that. (Can you tell it's "Cup" time again? ;D )

As for Bulgarian euro coins, that is a moot subject anyway. Roughly a year ago, the Bulgarian government said that the country is not interested in joining ERM-II and later becoming a member of the euro area. (Article in German: http://www.euractiv.de/erweiterung-und-nachbarn/artikel/bulgarien-verschiebt-euro-eintritt-wegen-schuldenkrise-005129.) So let's talk about this in a couple of years again, provided that we then still have some kind of common currency.

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2012, 01:03:29 PM »
Coming from a country with zero national pride ...

I didn't know you were British...

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 01:38:32 PM »
:)

I just notice, that the explained problem is not the real one and try to give some explonation :)

yep, the problem is solved.

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Re: Bulgaria wants to use evro instead of euro
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 03:19:17 PM »
Bulgaria is no longer interested in joining the euro area. Makes some sense. ;) Here is an article in German, from today's NZZ.

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