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Offline andyg

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Sicilia, grano nd (1556-1598), Messina mint, Spahr 121
« on: December 16, 2010, 01:37:13 AM »
I think it is from Milan, but not sure....

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Re: Milan?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 02:40:22 AM »
A Google for

"vt commo divs" pp eagle

brings up plenty of hits.  See lot 100 here, for instance:

https://b-frank-and-son.co.uk/?c=2

Numismaster (also found by above search) lists numerous 18th century examples with similar details.

Sicily seems to be your issuing entity, anyway!


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Re: Milan?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 11:52:15 PM »
Thanks Martin, didn't think of googling the words
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Re: Milan?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2010, 11:21:45 AM »
Nice and interesting coin, Andy. The flan looks very roughly cut. Is this a siege coin or just very sloppy flan production? Any ideas about what the legend and the initials mean?

Peter
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Re: Milan?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2010, 11:32:45 AM »
Is that a trace of an upside-down date at the 7 o'clock position on the "UT COMMODIUS" side?  Looks vaguely like 1591, unless I'm hallucinating late in the evening.

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Re: Milan?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2010, 01:42:38 PM »
The legend UT COMMODIUS means "for greater public ease". And the PP initials likely stand for Pietro del Pozzo, the master of the mint.

Is this a siege coin or just very sloppy flan production? Any ideas about what the legend and the initials mean?
Source: Schön's World Coin Catalogue 46th edition 2018.

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Re: Milan?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 03:44:21 PM »
Thanks, Gerhard. The name of the mint master did the trick. Either the flan is too small or the coin is pretty heavily cut.

Sicilia, grano nd (1556-1598), Messina mint, Spahr 121.

obv: crowned eagle in circle, PP (Pietro del Pozzo), around: +PHILIPPVS•Dei•Gratia•REX•SICiliae - Philip by the grace of god king of Sicily.
rev: in 3 lines VT/COMMO/DVS in a pearl circle. Legend around:  +PHILIPPVS•Dei•Gratia•REX•SICiliae

The Philip in question was Philip II, king of Spain.

Peter
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