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Offline Figleaf

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2017, 11:52:51 AM »
The wages were paid partially in cash and partially in tokens. As the workers often bought only alcool for their money, their wives could buy food for these tokens.

Chances are that you quote a mid or late 19th or early 20th century source. At that time, this was the excuse for all kinds of paternalistic policies, ranging from withholding voting rights to the poor to refusing them a bank account to sabotaging self-help like co-ops. The Raiffeisen banks proved it wrong. There was more than average abuse of alcohol among the poor, but the paternalistic policies made it worse. What did help was empowering the poor through compulsory education, co-ops, trade unions and political representation, resulting in a cleaner, safer and healthier life and working environment.

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2017, 09:00:01 PM »
I quote a person who lived there and told me in 2017.

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2017, 10:00:13 PM »
This also happens today in Australia although with a card rather than tokens for certain people on social relief.
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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #63 on: March 25, 2017, 11:16:50 AM »
Such stories exist everywhere and cover the occupants of the benches of Central Park in New York to the SDFs of Paris. They lack research or even thought.

Rationally speaking, if you were homeless, would you be trying to get a roof above your head? If that were hopeless, would you be drinking? Would you start drinking before trying to find shelter? It is prejudicial to think that many people, all men or a whole population would rather drink than get other comforts, such as living quarters and food. People like that drink for oblivion, not for fun. The solution is not to take alcohol away but to give hope.

The city of Paris employs them to sweep gutters. It ain't much, but it's better than considering them human waste. Those Australian cards are something, but, judging from the results, not enough. Those tokens are signs of profiteering through trucking, not a social service.

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2017, 06:06:39 PM »
Such stories exist everywhere and cover the occupants of the benches of Central Park in New York to the SDFs of Paris. They lack research or even thought.

I can say it took a lot of patience and and some research to find someone living at this fazenda.

It is prejudicial to think that many people, all men or a whole population would rather drink than get other comforts, such as living quarters and food. People like that drink for oblivion, not for fun. The solution is not to take alcohol away but to give hope.

I quoted, what I was told by an eye witness and I guess I can believe him. I am pretty sure not being not prejudicial. I am anti-colonial, anti-racist, I visited several African countries and I have "black" African family members.

Those tokens are signs of profiteering through trucking, not a social service.

If you consider all "white" farmers being unsocial oppressors, doesn't this sound a little bit "prejudicial", too?  ;)


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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #65 on: March 25, 2017, 10:28:05 PM »
It is a black/white issue by colonial coincidence only. In general, it is rather a poor/rich issue, which is how I described it (see especially my reference to Raiffeisen.) It is mentioned in similar terms somewhere in the edition of Samuelson's Economics I used in university (that's a long time ago) as an example of a common economic assumption that is not supported by scientific evidence. He was undoubtedly thinking in a US context, where black/white partly overlaps poor/rich, but he mentions it in a book on economics...

See also the second para of this post and the accompanying vivid illustration of what the prejudice led to.

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2017, 12:14:02 PM »
I would like to add my token from Congo (Brazzaville). Description:
25 mm Copper-Nickel
O: A L C / 100 FR.
R: ALC / (Map of Africa with Congo (Brazzaville) highlighted) / ANIMATION LOISIRS CONGO

Obviously a modern token. I aquired it in (about) 1995

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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2017, 01:58:50 PM »
I love it !  :D  I just wanted to ask, why you are sure this token being from Congo-Brazzaville, when I saw the map on the token.  :-[

Remembers me to a token from Gabon, also with a map:


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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #68 on: April 09, 2017, 01:08:06 PM »
A LA VILLE D'ALGER / MON / DOMMERGUE / 122 / FG DU TEMPLE
·12 TICKETS· / DONNENT / DROIT / A / UNE / CONSOMMATION
2g
21.6mm
Medal aligned
Non-magnetic

I think , FG DU TEMPLE = Faubourg du Temple
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Re: Showroom for african tokens
« Reply #69 on: April 09, 2017, 04:33:33 PM »
An interesting discount ticket.  :D