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1972 Dutch 5 Cent

Started by ghipszky, November 21, 2010, 01:52:00 AM

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Samuel Tan

Thanks Christian, I just came back from hibernation.
Since name Orleans comes from Aurelianum, a city that Emperor Aurelian has rebuild. It actually has nothing to do with Oranges that coming from South East Asia and its name derive from Sanskrit language. But, when is The House of Orange start using Orange fruit symbol? Any one can answer? I got to look further.
Samuel tan

a3v1

Samuel,
The House of Orange never has used the fruit symbol and probably never will.
But the Dutch do. This all has started during WWII when the Netherlands were occupied by the Germans and it was illegal to mention the royal family. Referring to the fruit proved to be an acceptable alternative.
Regards,
a3v1
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Samuel Tan


Thanks for the explanation.
Very interesting. So it is a coincidence.

Samuel Tan

While we at it, I have other questions.
In WWII, the Dutch coins are produced in the US, Denver, Philadelphia and San Francisco.
Their Mint mark D, P and S are clear to me. But What about Eiken/Acorn for the Netherlands and Palm boom/tree for Ned Indie and Curacao?
My thought: Acorn is only grow in four season climate, therefore designated to The Netherlands. While Palm tree is somehow tropical, therefore designated to Ned Indie and Curacao.                                                  I am not sure if my logic is correct or not. Or may be it has a different meanings like the Rooster and Fish.
And what about Duiventroos/Grapes? Are they minted by the Winemaker (I am not sure if there is any winemaker in the Netherlands) or Monks? That was my wild guest :)
Regards,
Samuel Tan

chrisild

Quote from: Samuel Tan on February 27, 2011, 08:50:55 AM
My thought: Acorn is only grow in four season climate, therefore designated to The Netherlands. While Palm tree is somehow tropical, therefore designated to Ned Indie and Curacao.
Sounds good. :) The two were used instead of the usual mintmaster symbols (see below), to indicate the are they were made for.

QuoteAnd what about Duiventroos/Grapes?

Dutch coins usually have a mintmark (muntteken) and a mintmaster mark (muntmeesterteken). The mark of the mint in Utrecht is the caduceus; that does not change. And then the mintmaster has his personal symbol. The grapes (druiventros) were used by W.J. van Heteren (1933-42). As for the meaning of the symbol, well, I am not sure about the grapes. The current mint director, M.T. Brouwer, for example uses the sails of a ship. That refers to the "Nederland", a ship built in 1893 where his great-grandfather was the captain ...

Christian

Figleaf

The acorn was inspired by the family arms of the Badham-Thornhill family. Mr. W. Adams, trade secretary of the Dutch embassy in Washington during the war years was a member of this family.

The palm tree was to separate the coins to be sent to the colonies (all in the tropical zone) from those sent to the Netherlands.

I have no explanation for the grapes. However, grapes were grown in large quantity in an area called Westland, South of The Hague. The opening of the borders by the EEC in the sixties destroyed the economic basis of the cultivation. All that is left is a small theme park in Monster, called "De Westlandse druif". These grapes are of far superior quality to the largely inedible stuff the supermarkets think they can sell as grapes, but they are also much more expensive. Therefore, Dutch grapes remain what they were when I was young, a decadent luxury product. That may have inspired the mintmaster.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Figleaf

Quote from: a3v1 on February 26, 2011, 11:26:46 PM
The House of Orange never has used the fruit symbol and probably never will.
But the Dutch do. This all has started during WWII when the Netherlands were occupied by the Germans and it was illegal to mention the royal family. Referring to the fruit proved to be an acceptable alternative.

The earliest reference I am aware of, to the fruit as symbol for the royal family is William III (the later king of the Netherlands) ordering the trees in quantity for the hothouses of his palace and for open-air display in summer. Later, orange trees became a political symbol. In the years following the French revolution, the supporters of the revolution were known as "patriots" and opposed by the supportrs of the prince of Orange (prinsgezinden). The rich, who would have a manor with a spacious garden, would set potted orange trees in their garden where they could be seen from the street to indicate their political inclination. The trees would spend the winter in a hothouse, used in summer as a place that protects from the weather, yet allows staying outside. Such hothouses would be called oranjerie, a pun on the Frech word orangerie.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.