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Malwa Sultanate 1/2 Falus: Muhummud Shah II, 1511 - 1531?
« on: September 09, 2007, 06:35:46 AM »
15 mm by 10 mm and weighing but 4.2 grams, does this small copper have enough information to made an identification possible? 
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 02:57:54 PM »
I think I can now id this one. 
What I had as the obverse was upside down.  It gives the year as 906 AH.
The Reverse says "al sultan/bin /al sultan"
The following allowed me to ID this:
1. It is rectangular in shape, common in the Malwa Sultanate.
2. The date places it in the reign of Ghiyath Khalji, 1468 to 1500.
3. The layout of the date and the reverse match that of Ghiyath or of his son.
So, the coin is a 1/2 falus of Ghiyath Khalji of about 1492 AD.
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 03:01:22 PM »
Yes, there isn't much there to go on. But take a look at these examples from the Fitzwilliam collection:
First:
This one dated 918 from Ghiyath Khalji's son.

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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2007, 03:05:39 PM »
The design of the date and the numbers themselves and  the way the date is wrapped around by calligraphy, is the same as in the Ghiyath  coin of 906. 
Here is an example of the calligraphy of the reverse from a coin identified as being a Ghiyath coin from 907. The similarities are striking, no pun intended.
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2007, 04:11:00 PM »
Around the upside-down "heart" things get a little fuzzy, but I'd give it the benefit of the doubt and I think it's one great identification. As for your second pic, I just don't even see the connection.

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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2007, 05:04:35 PM »
Hi Peter,
this is what I was looking at.
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2007, 05:05:25 PM »
and this one from the Fitz

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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 05:10:09 PM »
The upside down heart is off the flan on my rectangular but thick flan.  But the date is quite legible.  I find the style of writing numbers for the "9" and for the "7" quite disconcerting.  At first glance, the date on my coin appears to be 111, with three similar styles of ones.
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 05:30:29 PM »
Thanks, Ritchie. I see what you mean and I am now 100% convinced on the match with the 918 coin, but I'm still having trouble seeing the 907 as a match. That's what happens to your brains when you eat too much Gouda cheese, I guess :(

Could the date be 919?

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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2007, 06:35:06 PM »
I didn't mean that the match was in the number but in the placement of the numbers. My miscommunication.  Yes, I of course. The number could be 919 or 916 and never in a million years 909 or 906. If only I had Gouda growing up.  My mom gave me Velvita American processed cheese!To me, the first number and the third number of my coin look different, but not by that much. I hope Oesho is having a good time; it would be fun having his input. 
Any way, so the attribution is the son of Ghiyath Khalji, Nasir Shah.  Hope that is correct. I'll check on it latter.
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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2007, 06:38:35 PM »
and I might as well post this for comparison.

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Re: Rectangular copper of uncertain Origin: Indian?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2007, 10:37:25 PM »
I wish that finding the attribution of this coin were easier.
Here is the problem.
The sultans of Malwa, at least from 1468 to 1500 (Ghiyath Khalji), 1500 to 1510 (Nasir Shah) and 1511 until 1531 (Mahummud Shah II) (dates get difficult after that due to invasions) produced, in some respects, similar coins.  Generally, all proudly proclaim that they are the Sultans who are sons of Sultans. The dates indicated on the coin may not correspond to the actual date of mint. 
I was able to locate examples of coins in the reign of Ghiyath and Mahummud Shah II that depict dates in a very similar way, as is the case in this coin. The examples of Nasir's coins that I have seen look a little different than his father's or son's.
The likelihood is that this coin was minted in the reign of Mahummud Shah II, even though the date would suggest an earlier reign; 916 or 919 would fall within the reign of Nasir Shah.  Indeed, I found one coin attributed to Mahummud Shah II that had the date 919AH (1505AD?) in the Fitzwilliam collection.
Richie