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Some Siam Porcelain Token with Chinese poems

Started by sinial, August 19, 2010, 06:41:15 PM

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sinial

It's difficult to explain meanings of poems...
Anyway, it is cute. ;D

Figleaf

A beautiful collection of Siamese tokens, Sinial. Thanks for posting. I am sure one day someone will see these and be able to give you clues on the Chinese.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

chinnotes

#2
Here you may see some more Siamese gambling tokens (text Chinese, but photos o.k.)
http://coin007.com/bbs/read.php?tid=20057&page=4&fpage=1
and
http://southeastasiacoin.com/zh-CN/coin/spt02.xhtml (you have to scroll down...)
and
http://www.southeastasiacoin.com/zh-CN/coin/index.xhtml?f=spt.xhtml


Erwin

sinial

Quote from: chinnotes on April 23, 2016, 12:05:19 PM
Here you may see some more Siamese gambling tokens (text Chinese, but photos o.k.)
http://coin007.com/bbs/read.php?tid=20057&page=4&fpage=1
and
http://southeastasiacoin.com/zh-CN/coin/spt02.xhtml (you have to scroll down...)
and
http://www.southeastasiacoin.com/zh-CN/coin/index.xhtml?f=spt.xhtml


Erwin

Thanks for sharing my website.
http://www.southeastasiacoin.com is my personal website, although not updated frequently.
My collection posted to the 1st link is exactly the extended version of this topic.
This is a series of 'Siam Porcelain Token with Chinese Poem', inscription of these pieces are part of traditional Chinese poem.
Including the works of the most famous poet Li Bai, theatre of Yuan Dynasty, and even some remains mysterious unknown status.

chinnotes

@sinial: I had not known that this was your website otherwise I would have told so.
For a very long time I have a certain interest in these Siamese porcelain token.  About 30 years ago I bought in Bangkok a collection of 1800 different such tokens, at very cheap price (as far as I remember 0.50 US $ each). But later, when the price rose considerably, I sold the entire collection to a friend who later bought about 200 more different token. Now he wants to sell them...
I have a small booklet with an essay of 19 pages about Siamese porcelain token. It is written in Thai and has quite a few pictures, but all only black and white. The essay has the title ปี้โรงบ่อน = token of gambling houses, by one เฉลิม ยงบุญเกิด which may be romanized as Chalerm Yongbunkerd. Published in 1971. On p.15 of this essay 10 token with Chinese poems are shown, different from those cited by sinial.
p.9 the author says that the word "Pe" (Thai ปี้ ) is derived from
Chinese (now written ), pinyin ,,bi", meaning currency, money. On the other hand, the Chinese in old Siam used 5 different ways to write "bi" with Chinese characters on the tokens, partly  characters not used in China.
Erwin

sinial

@Erwin
You may have a look at this article, the best after Ramsden and Althoff.
https://the-tribe.volkenkunde.nl/sites/default/files/attachements/playthingsporcelain.pdf
Even noticed Suzhou Code serial no in some particular types, as 'trade shorthead'.

chinnotes

Thank you! A very useful link! In the literature cited they even had the small booklet I mentioned above, althouth they romanized the name of the the author in a different way.

Erwin