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British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« on: July 24, 2010, 11:20:29 AM »
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Obverse In four lines (1)/PICE/BOMB/177(3)


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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2015, 01:14:00 AM »
Another example....

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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2015, 11:30:49 AM »
Here is one with an unlisted date 1784, allthough it's unfortunately pierced it's unlisted in any catalogues past or present
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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 12:15:18 PM »
 Vic, Pridmore notes that this issue was widely forged and suggests that any bearing dates other than 1773 might be considered as such. He records the following dates for the 1 Pice: 1773, 1783, 1784 and 1788 with the comment "Forgery?" after the last three. KM only lists the 1773 & 1775 dates.....the truth is out there... ;D
The design drawing from Pridmore has an 'I'  with two wings flanking (for 1 pice) above the 'BOMB'. I've yet to see a coin with complete reverse showing the 1
I see the base of the I to the top left of your coin

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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 12:45:21 PM »
Vic, Pridmore notes that this issue was widely forged and suggests that any bearing dates other than 1773 might be considered as such. He records the following dates for the 1 Pice: 1773, 1783, 1784 and 1788 with the comment "Forgery?" after the last three. KM only lists the 1773 & 1775 dates.....the truth is out there... ;D
The design drawing from Pridmore has an 'I'  with two wings flanking (for 1 pice) above the 'BOMB'. I've yet to see a coin with complete reverse showing the 1
I see the base of the I to the top left of your coin


Pridmore made an error,  paul Stevens wrote:  A tiny extract from the book I am working on at the moment: In 1784 the Bombay records state:
'The President also acquaints the Board that there is a great want of small currency in the place, and proposes that a quantity of copper be immediately coined. Ordered that 100 maunds of plate and the same quantity of Japan copper be delivered to the minters and that directions be given to the Mint Master to have it coined into single pice of 100 to the rupee of the usual weight. He must further have directions to keep a separate account of the produce and charges of coinage of each [sortment]'
I have no idea why Pridmore should have considered the 1784 pice as forgeries. I can only assume that he overlooked this entry in the records. They seem to be very rare. I only know of one other but I expect there are more.
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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2015, 12:55:11 PM »
This type of pice was also shown minted between 1773-84. I wonder if the coins minted to meet the shortage were done using both types of  designs... both types were minted at the Bombay mint

EDIT: I am wrong on this.... the Crown + EIC balemark design was only used for the Double pice (2pice)
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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2015, 08:14:12 PM »
The complete drawing of the 1 pice reverse..

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Re: British India, Bombay Presidency: Pice, 177(3), KM#188
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2015, 08:44:08 PM »
I wonder why the 1784 pice are so rare, perhaps they were never issued for some reason or a larger number exist but the date is off the flan
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