Copy of a Gwalior Paisa, Jawad mint.

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This coin looks to some extent like a coin of Gwalior I have seen sketched in the Standard Catalogue. However the similarity ends there. Please help attribute.

Amit

[Salvete]

Yes, you are right, Amit.

It is very like a Jawad coin, but my guess is that this one is a bit light.  This is yet another copy, I think.

Salvete

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Salvete, you seem to be correct. Weight is 8.5g. So a confirmed copy?

Amit

[Salvete]

Borderline on weight, Amit, I think.  But on appearance it would seem to be a copy.  I hesitate because I have recently become aware of some unusual varieties (of which I have not got the weights yet) that just may be genuine, and the Jawad paisas were struck over a period, and some that look genuine are found to be a bit light.  I would suggest that the lighter ones would be the latest, but that, too, is a little doubtful in some cases.  A little uncertainty adds spice to our lives - no?

Salvete

[Rangnath]

I adore Jawad coins.  I think many of their designs perfect for the decoration of the wall of a child. The one that is posted here though lacks the fluidity of the Jawad coins that I have and the star is has a different feel too.  So, stylistically, I think it a copy.  Am I being silly?
richie 

[Salvete]

  No, Rangnath, you are not silly at all.  Feeling is often important, and the fabric, style, maybe symbols and deffiunitely calligraphy (if any) are all we have to go on, after weight has given us an equivocal answer.  You clearly have a feel for such matters, - much more than I started with - and when you have handled a few more, I think you will get an instinct for what is 'right' and what is not.

  Yes, indeed they are a very attractive series, some of which can be dated precisely, or at least to the ruler.  Some of the later coins begin to lose the fluidity that you speak of, but overall you are quite correct in what you suggest, I think.  Remember that there are a few more types, and a lot more varieties than are shown in Krause - at least triple, I guess.

  I have not become aware of any other series of coins struck at Jawad, but that is not impossible.  New stuff is being found and attributed (or not) all the time.

  Salvete

[Rangnath]

Thanks Salvete.
Has anyone done a study of Jawad coins since Lingen and Wiggen's (incredible) book?
richie

[Salvete]

Dear Rangnath,

  If anybody has studied them in detail (and my bet is that somebody, somewhere will have done) they have not published it, to my knowkedge.  As you mentioned above, it is an attractive series and there are more types than have been published so far, and certainly a goodly number of varieties of some types.  Maybe an in-depth study is overdue.

  I have bought a number of varieties that are new to me, but they will not arrive here until late this year or early next, for reasons I need not go into.  Probably there are a number of workers who have created lists and catalogues of their own Jawad coins, but the unfortunate thing is that they will probably never put their lists together and produce a useful catalogue for publication.

  Salvete

[Rangnath]

I'd love to see them when they arrive. 
richie

[Salvete]

You will be very welcome to see them, Richie, if either of us remember about it by the time they actually get here.  There are some really nice specimens among them, and a review of the Jawad corpus will not be out of the question, I believe.  If there is any restoration of die design possible, you can guess who will, be asked to undertake the task ............... ?

Salvete

[KarlAntonMartini]

This paisa of 13,08 g with the Katar downwards and two stars looks very similiar to a coin presented by Marudha Arts Auchtion 14, Lot 385. MA has it as Gwalior without more details and gives no mint. In LW catalogue the katar is described as mintmark of Jawad, some coins of Narwar mint show also the katar. But I am not convinced yet. In the sin below the sword I read 85, which could only stand for AH 1185 (1771), reign of Mahadji Sindhia (1761-1794). But which mint? Jawad or Narwar seem to be out of the reach of the Sindhias AH 1185. So where I am wrong? Best regards, KarlAntonMartini

[Figleaf]

I would suggest a PM to Oesho asking him for help.

Peter