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1 Kopeck 1940 double die?

Started by Anzelmas, December 21, 2024, 04:25:14 PM

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Anzelmas

Hi, m8s!
Is this coin can be considered as double die?
If yes, what is the value?

Aluminium bronze
Diameter 15 mm
Weight 1 g

Gusev

Quote from: Anzelmas on December 21, 2024, 04:25:14 PMIs this coin can be considered as double die?
If yes, what is the value?


This is a common inexpensive coin, IMHO.
This year has several stamp variants.

The minting of the one-kopeck denomination in 1940 was carried out at the Leningrad Mint. And according to reports, it was stamped then in a circulation of more than 210 million pieces. As a result, many kopecks from "1940" have survived to this day, so their value today is not high.
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

Anzelmas

Thanks for your answer, but the question is about Double Die.

Gusev

Hmm.
Please show what you consider a double die.
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

Gusev

Minor offset of the stamp on the reverse?
It is difficult to classify this as a double die.
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

Anzelmas

I think this maybe double die. Isn't it?

Gusev

It doesn't look like a double die.
It looks like a slight offset.
See photo of classic offset.
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

bgriff99

Looks like a re-punched date.   Nothing else is doubled.

$and€r

It could certainly be doubled die..  ;)
The photo is not good enough for me to make a good conclusion..

I guess i'm 1 of a few you love collecting doubled die coins here in the Netherlands.. And all the time i discuss this with fellow collectors in Europe i notice that almost all of them don't know what a 'doubled die" is.. 
No: "that's double struck" , "it's not a varierty" , etc. etc.

But a 'doubled die" is a coin struck with a die where the doubling already is..
In the process of making the die, something moved a little bit.. So all the coins struck with that die, will show exact the same doubling on the coins..

Here below an example of a Brazilian doubled die coin.. only a bit in the middle is 'affected'..

IMG_9026.JPG

bgriff99

Well OK. Yes, if die hubs are used, the die itself can be doubled.  Regarding the 10 centavos, does that indicate a doubled die but a separately punched non-doubled date?     

Anzelmas

$and€r, this is the best photo I managed to make  ::)

Gusev

Quote from: $and€r on December 24, 2024, 02:35:50 PMIt could certainly be doubled die..  ;)



I looked at a discussion of various types of coin defects (several dozen) on another forum.
You are correct, this is doubled die  :perfect:
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

Anzelmas

Great! Now is the second question: have it an extra value?
I by myself haven't seen Soviet coins with double die.

Gusev

On the forum this is called "Duplication of image elements" (stamp defect).

Question: Are dualities valued?
Answer: Only large ones.

The photo shows a typical defect.
"Those at the top of the mountain didn't fall there."- Marcus Washling.

$and€r

Quote from: Anzelmas on December 25, 2024, 05:28:53 PM$and€r, this is the best photo I managed to make  ::)

Still, could be.. (need to look with a loupe at it..  :P )
I don't see "notching", what is always a good giveaway for a doubled die..
Doubling is in straight line down.. although the dot looks good..