Peru 1/2 Dinero overdates

Started by Thulium, November 28, 2024, 10:30:30 PM

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Thulium

Here are a few overdates on Peru 1/2 Dinero coins. These are small silver coins with bold overdates:) With high grade coins like these, the details are very bold.

picture of full 1903/1893 coin


detail of 1903/1893


detail of 1900/1890


detail of 1901/1891


detail of 1909/1907


Figleaf

They look like 1903/189x, 1900/189x, 1901/1891 and 1909/1907?

Peter
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Thulium

Yes, I have written what they are above each picture :)

Quote from: Figleaf on December 06, 2024, 04:09:10 PMThey look like 1903/189x, 1900/189x, 1901/1891 and 1909/1907?

Peter

Figleaf

Missed that. Sorry. On the first two detail pictures, I was wondering how to notate the fourth digit. I don't think either digit was over-struck, so was the original die dated a) 189x - where x stands for a blank space - or b) 1893 and 1890 respectively. Logic says a, but I found no firm indication. The fourth digits seem well aligned with the original eights, less so with the over-struck zeroes on their immediate left.

I even considered the possibility of a mold, much like type-setting. That's fiction, though. Never heard of such a device. Also, if so, why is the second 1 on the 1901 coin out of whack?

Another little puzzle is that there are two types of zeroes. Some have a pointy top and bottom central hole, others a round top and bottom central hole. Mysterious.

Peter

An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Globetrotter

They are all here (except the missing ones 8)

Figleaf

1903/1803, 1904/804, 1908/808  and 1917/87 are impossible. This type hadn't been invented yet in 1803, 1804 or 1808 and wasn't around in either 1887 or 1987.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Globetrotter


Figleaf

If any of them are listed, it doesn't mean they have become possible somehow. It is far more likely that they were read wrong. That's not difficult with overdates.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Thulium

I think the 9/8 and 0/9 are pretty clear. By my reckoning, it doesn't mean 1803 is a real date on the die; it could've been a mistake that was corrected, or the die was originally dated 18xx, with some digits being polished out for example. I got those overdate digits from Krause, see here:
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/peru-1-2-dinero-km-206.2-1893-1917-87-cuid-1098748-duid-1546436

Quote from: Figleaf on December 06, 2024, 09:56:51 PM1903/1803, 1904/804, 1908/808  and 1917/87 are impossible. This type hadn't been invented yet in 1803, 1804 or 1808 and wasn't around in either 1887 or 1987.

Peter

Thulium