Kansu 20 cash Y-C407 warlord issue - Fake

[MORGENSTERNN]

Hello
Here is a Kansu 20 cash "warlord cast issue"
I think it is Y-C407 but can't find any in Zeno database
There is one coin that could match on Numista here but I still wonder if my example is genuine give me your opinion
Size 32mm
Weight 13.30g
pictures below
Thank you

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This one takes a real expert and those are rarer than the coins. Most experts around today concentrate on cash coins.

Note that on Numista, the reference is to Kann, whose books date from 1954, so at least it's not a fantasy, as China was at that time not yet producing the unspeakable mass of fantasies and fakes it is making today. The Numista id seems good enough and is likely to be better than KM.

The question remains if it is a fake or not. The only answer I can think of is the answer to life the universe and everything: 42.

Peter

[MORGENSTERNN]

This one takes a real expert and those are rarer than the coins. Most experts around today concentrate on cash coins.

Note that on Numista, the reference is to Kann, whose books date from 1954, so at least it's not a fantasy, as China was at that time not yet producing the unspeakable mass of fantasies and fakes it is making today. The Numista id seems good enough and is likely to be better than KM.

The question remains if it is a fake or not. The only answer I can think of is the answer to life the universe and everything: 42.

Peter

Thank you Peter !
I will search more sources

[MORGENSTERNN]

After a little search I now think that coin is very doubtous :

- First the edge is too much regular and flat compared to a similar specimen I already got (Y-308b - 9.50g) and I do not find the irregularities as excess of metal from the mould that use to appears on edge (I will try to take pictures later).

- Second and maybe the most important the range of weight of known examples is from 5.97 g to 10.91 g for the heaviest

So with over 13 g this coin is most likely a fake

Tell me your your point of view
 

[MORGENSTERNN]

Here the pictures

The doubtous coin is on the right side (coins side to side) and over the real one (edge details) on those pictures

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Yes, an overweight coin is always quite likely to be a fake. Good idea to use Zeno for your research.

Peter