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Started by petar.mne, January 27, 2024, 11:35:12 PM

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petar.mne

15mm. I think I can read VIRI? on the obverse.

petar.mne

It looks a lot like this one.

http://www.nume.cz/aukce/5748

Except the lettering doesnt seem to match and the reverse is a W on that one and a V on mine.

jkk

Quote from: petar.mne on January 28, 2024, 10:16:11 PMExcept the lettering doesnt seem to match and the reverse is a W on that one and a V on mine.

I can just see the imaginable shadow of the remainder of a W to the left of your V, if it's not centered either by design or striking variation. It could also be pareidolia, a great English term for coin collectors to know because it happens to most of us.
Jonathan

Figleaf

Where you read VIRI, I read VL(ligature) RIC, as in Ulrich. However, it's not Württemburg (no lions in their arms)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

petar.mne

If it's a penny from Vladislav II, it should say WLADISLAUS. So maybe what I read as VIR could be WLA, but then those characters after that don't look like a D to me.

Also, yes it does seem like it could be VLRICH too.

petar.mne

Just found this Ulrich. Could be that that's a griffin on my coin and not a lion. Obverse looks similar but reverse is different.

https://www.lovecpokladu.cz/en/coin-detail?id=7161

JMP

When I compare te feet, I think yours is a lion.
At the same site where you found your griffin coin, there is an Ulrich with a lion.
Look for: coin Ulrich z Hardeggu.
It is not a match, but it might show a way to a solution.

petar.mne

Thank you, I'm now 90% sure it's a coin of Ulrich z Hardeggu.

I found this one that has the same reverse V like mine. The obverse is different this time, but it's probably a variation of that coin.

https://aukro.cz/slezsko-haler-ulrich-z-hardeggu-6964229523

Edit: actually the obverse is the same too I think. The lettering is just not on the flan, maybe it was clipped.

JMP

Here they are together to be able to compare:
Surely, they are family, but your coin may have a higher nominal value.

petar.mne

Yes, I've found two similar types of coins by this Ulrich of Hardegg.
A Haler - that has a lion without lettering on the obverse, and a V on the reverse.

And a white pfenig - that has a lion with lettering on the obverse (just like my coin), and a blank reverse since it's a uniface coin. But I know these white pfenigs (from other rulers such as Vladislav II) come in two faced varieties, where the reverse has a single letter.

So I think most likely my coin is a two faced white pfenig of Ulrich of Hardegg, although I haven't been able to find an excact match online.