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Gubbio Innocent XII variants

Started by carpatic, November 28, 2023, 08:27:16 PM

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carpatic

Hi. I am fascinated by the varieties of the Papal coins of this era.
Now, another challenge:
2 quattrinos from Gubbio from Innocent XII
Lacking the specialized Italian catalogs, I rely on Krause and Numista, which for this domain are not really accurate, nor complete.
These are variants of "Saint standing, keys lower left". Lacking pics in Krause, I deduce from other pictured exemplaries that "left" means our left, not saint's left, and "lower" is to be thought in comparison with the "upper" variant where St Peter is keeping his right arm raised at 90 degrees and the key  raises to the level of his head. Krause is wrong statins that the saint is "St. Paul". In fact is St. Peter.
This would make both of my coins pictured below as KM# 63 ("St. Paul(sic!) standing, keys lower left, book right"
But Krause listed the year 9 as being only in the form VIIII, while mine is definitely IX.
What to make of them? Simply, "variants of KM# 63"?


JMP

Is your left coin not simply the KM#59 here underneath? Or is there something I do not understand of your message?

JMP

And is not this one like your right coin?
You find it on this site:
https://coins.calkinsc.com/papal_gallery.html
But unlike the other specimens they show, this one got no reference in its comment !

carpatic

Hi. In my opinion, we face some problems with the variant of having them as KM# 59 for two reasons:
- KM# 59 lists only year III. As you see, mine are IIII and IX
- KM# 59 says "holding keys right". Krause always refers to left and right as we look at the coin, not the left and right of the saint facing us.

JMP

Yes, "carpatic",Krause says and Numista contradicts as you can see here.
On the www, I could not find so fast Quattrinos with Saint Peter holding his keys at the right. I wonder if there are any.