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Morocco 1285 or 1288AH 4 fels Marrakech

Started by Guillaume Hermann, November 10, 2023, 01:18:45 PM

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Guillaume Hermann

Hello,

This coin seems very easy to identify... except that we never saw these 6 circles, one in each space between two branches of the star.
I did not find it in Zeno, neither in Numista, and the owner tells it is not in KM. Have you already seen this? What is your opinion: variety, fake, trial, charm, something else?
29 mm, 11 g. https://www.numismatique.com/forum/topic/76049-maroc-4-fels-1285-vari%C3%A9t%C3%A9/
Maroc1.jpgMaroc2.jpg
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Figleaf

Wow! Very interesting. Confirmed that it does not figure in KM either (compare Craig 166.2). I have some trouble reading "Marrakesh". Is it spelled correctly on this coin?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

aws22

Dear Guillaume, your coin:
Morocco, Alaouite dynasty, Sultan Sidi Muhammad IV, AH 1288/ 1871 AD, 4 Falus, Fes mint (AH 1280-1290/1864-1873 AD)
Obverse (Left photo):
Six pointed star, with 6 small circles, one in each space between two branches of the star.
Reverse (Right photo): Mint name and date inside two circles:
ضرب  , darb (struck)
بفاس  , bi-Fes
1288

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

Figleaf

While the text does indeed look more like Fes than like Marrakesh, KM shows the Fes variant without the horizontal divider. Still, there is a 1286 Fes coin on eBay looking exactly like the Marrakesh coin in KM and showing the divider. Bad identification?

KM warns for local forgeries. We now have the six rings, the confusing text and the puzzling divider. Could this be a locally made fake? It looks good at first sight, though. This coin is slightly larger and lighter than indicated on Numista, but the differences are too small to be worrisome. If it is genuine, why is it so different?

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

andyg

Not common, but not unknown,
see Zeno 224850 or 81818

always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

Guillaume Hermann

Thank you all, especially Andyg for for Zeno 81818! I searched on Zeno for Marrakech so did not find this coin...
But
Quote from: andyg on November 10, 2023, 10:42:49 PMsee Zeno 224850
is a Turkish dirham.
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andyg

always willing to trade modern UK coins for modern coins from elsewhere....

Figleaf

An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.