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Offline bagerap

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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #45 on: February 22, 2011, 02:40:44 AM »
I am as yet, unsure if I should thank constanius or not.
To explain, until perhaps six months ago I was unaware of the "Sentimentals". Until that is I read in another place, constanius' writing upon this very subject.  I now have, George III, the Duchess of Cumberland and the Marquis of Granby. I also have a habit which I suspect will cost me.
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« Reply #46 on: February 22, 2011, 02:45:06 AM »
I can think of (many) worse habits :) Have fun.

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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2012, 07:31:22 PM »

JOHN WILKES ESQUIRE MEMBER FOR MIDDLESEX 1773

Hi everyone. I have a John Wilkes sentimental coin. And was wandering where would be the best place to sell such a coin


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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2015, 04:10:17 AM »
Came across another Granby by GB, this one is more worn.  This does perhaps lend weight to them being made for a Marquis of Granby Inn.




Found this etching online at   http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/british-school-the-genious-of-the-sentimental-magazine-holding-a-medal-of-the-marquis-of-t11362  note; Nature has 6 breasts, the spelling "Genious" which was quite commonly used in the 18th century and "SENTIMENTAL MAG." on the spine of the book.


And this advert for Kirk.
Courtesy of The Lewis Walpole Library, Yale University.

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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2015, 06:55:21 AM »
I have been watching out for one signed GB without success as yet.

The Marquis of Granby was a popular name name for a public house, this name instantly comes to mind as the pub on the corner of the street where my mother was born in Deptford, she mentioned it frequently as as a child she was sent there, at times, with a jug to get it filled!

It appears at the head of this list but all these links would have to be opened to find a  Marquis of Granby dating back to the eighteenth century.
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« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2015, 06:40:02 PM »
Many thanks for the link Malcolm, I checked some of them & a few date that far back.

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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2015, 03:47:21 AM »
I have now found a Marquis of Granby signed GB after four years of searching!

This one looks like a trial piece with a crack from the edge and badly centred, or perhaps getting careless towards the end of his issue?

Also attached an etching taken from eBay:

Marquis of Granby original antique stipple engraved portrait print. Printed London: c. 1798; by Vernor & Hood. Engraved by W. Ridley.
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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2015, 08:16:35 PM »
Welcome to the Club ;D

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« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2016, 03:19:28 PM »
A later Marquis of Granby was MP for Stamford, 1837-1852 and in the Highstreet St. Martin's Stamford was a "Marquis of Granby" pub dating from early 18th century.  Records show that the landlord in 1855 was a G. Bleet.  Could this be what the initials G. B. under the bust stand for?

Nice to think so, here is an image of the old pub.


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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2016, 03:00:12 AM »
...previously called The Marquis of Granby  ???

I found:
"The Waggon and Horses, where Daniel Lambert died was at 47-51 High Street St. martin's - almost opposite The Bull and Swan and previously called The Marquis of Granby."
Source see Kate

However this doesn't seem to tie in with your date of 1855. see Waggon & Horses



Daniel Lambert weighed 50 stone (700 lb; 318 kg), and measured his height as 5 feet 11 inches. No longer able to use stairs, he took lodgings on the ground floor of the Waggon & Horses inn at 47 Stamford High Street on 20 June  he collapsed and died the next day. There was no question of his body being returned to Leicester, and so on 22 June, it was placed inside an elm coffin, 6 feet 4 inches long, 4 feet 4 inches wide and 2 feet 4 inches deep (193 cm × 132 cm × 71 cm), built on wheels to allow it to be moved. The coffin was so large that to wheel it out of the inn and to the newly opened burial ground at the rear of St Martin's Church, the window and wall of his apartment were demolished.  A suitably sized grave had been dug, with a sloping approach to avoid the need to lower the coffin from above, but on 23 June, it nonetheless took almost half an hour for twenty men to pull Lambert's enormous coffin into the grave.
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Re: Sentimental Tokens 1773-1774
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2016, 09:33:47 AM »
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POST OFFICE DIRECTORY OF LINCOLNSHIRE, WITH MAP ENGRAVED EXPRESSLY FOR THE WORK AND CORRECTED TO THE TIME OF PUBLICATION, 1855.  (Third entry from the top) Marquis of Granby,G. Bleet, High St. St.Martin's,Stamford

 G.Bleet the victualer of the Marquis of Granby Inn(circa 1855-1860's) might have issued these as pub tokens with his initials G.B.




https://books.google.ca/books?pg=PA348&dq=marquis+of+Granby+g.+Bleet+st+martins&redir_esc=y&id=sOUNAAAAQAAJ#v=onepage&q&f=true   

"In "Who Traded Where?" by Ken Ford (published MAD 2003), it appears that by the 1850s the "Waggon and Horses" had changed its name to "The Marquis of Granby", and John GARDNER was the landlord. The inn closed in the 1860s".   That might in fact mean it switched its name back to the original name of M. of G.

Which, if this was where the tokens were used, gives an approximate date for their issue.

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History, gazetteer, and directory of Leicestershire, and ... Rutland 1846.

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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2016, 11:03:23 AM »
That appears to have it sorted, reading through the Stamford pub site link it appears that the change of pub names occurred pretty frequently with change of owners.

I have noticed the same change of names here, for instance a Pig and Whistle changed its name then a few years later another place less than a mile away named itself Pig and Whistle - no doubt they were not even aware of the previous existence. A bane for history researchers.
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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2016, 12:28:02 PM »
Another of these Marquis of Granby, signed GB, is in the upcoming Simmons Gallery auction...
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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2016, 08:01:01 PM »
I see they list it as by Kirk, perhaps we should explain it is by G.B.

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« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2016, 12:39:28 AM »
I have already let them know and they said a good one for the corrections page. ...I haven't checked to see yet.  :D
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