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Unknown peacock copper coin ?

Started by saro, November 30, 2022, 11:45:19 AM

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saro

Copper / 25,5 x 23,5mm
Nice peacock design and unreadable reverse.
Seems to me of South asian origin ? but no idea...

Cu peacock.jpg
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Offa

Could be from Burma


Quote from: saro on November 30, 2022, 11:45:19 AMCopper / 25,5 x 23,5mm
Nice peacock design and unreadable reverse.
Seems to me of South asian origin ? but no idea...

Cu peacock.jpg
Member British numismatic society

Figleaf

If you turn the left image 90° clockwise, you might also see a person with two outstretched arms towards what may be an altar or a drum and perhaps lettering underneath.

That said, I have never seen this as a coin. A religious souvenir, perhaps? In Asia, the peacock is a symbol of royalty.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

Manzikert

The peacock suggests Burma as you say, but the border round it is very European roccoco: I think it is more likely to be a trial piece for a European repousse die. I certainly don't think it is a coin or token.

Alan

Figleaf

Peacocks also appear on civic issues of Afghanistan as well as on big silver coins of the Southern Netherlands. Overstriking reminds me more of Afghanistan, but if that were the case, you'd probably have recognised it and Manzikert is right that the edge looks European.

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

Thank you very much all for your comments  :) I indeed thought to Burma too..but an eurpean XIXth c. origin is probable.
The great difference in quality between the two sides led to think, as suggested by Manzikert, of a medal's die struck on an old coin.
As suggested by Peter, I made a rotation of the reverse but I'm unable to identify something or even remains of letters  :-\
It could be only a "curiosity"...Cu peacock rev.jpg
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aws22

#6
Dear Saro, if coin is turned 90 degrees counter-clockwise, you see clear " Waw  و  " at the bottom. May be it reads Booshehr or Bushire (بوشهر); also known as Bandar Bushehr ( بندر بوشهر). City in Iran. Another possibility to consider is  پشاور , Peshawar in Afghanistan.

Maythem
Coin collecting has a curious name. It is also called the "Hobby of Kings".

saro

#7
Thank you Maythem for your suggestion.
Most of Abushahr civic coins' designs are very crude, usually smaller and not at all of this elegant style.
Don't you think that a part of the "wav" couldn't be an extra thickness on the edge as seen elsewhere?
There are indeed some remnants of a host piece with crossed lines or what could be letters, one could indeed see Arabic characters or remnants of figurative designs; difficult to say.
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

Figleaf

Mmm. You rotated the picture by 360°. ;)

Peter
An unidentified coin is a piece of metal. An identified coin is a piece of history.

saro

oh yes ! 360° and 0° look very like !  :laughing:
now I even see what it could be a head at top and something that may looks like combinated nagari characters at right ?...
Cu peacock rev.jpg
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)

JMP

Well, have I ever ...
There was something I remarked here before I was a member on this forum. And later, when I was a member, I could not find it back, until today!

We take a Duit from Holland, type 1780: Lion in Hollandic garden, hat on stick.
We turn it 180°, for that way we will recognise the points of likeness at their best.
Look what is on the reverse side of the peacock :o !

THCoins


saro

Well JMP, I say hats off!
That's very convincing.
"All I know is that I know nothing" (Socrates)