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Irish 1928 and 1963 1d
« on: January 14, 2010, 12:36:43 PM »
I thought it might be interesting to show these together.

They are the coins that used to appear in change occasionally in England, although these examples are from the 'mixed bag'.   Sometimes it's good to take a little time off from serious collecting and think about things that were everyday when we were kids.   Most of the coins from the 'mixed bag' are probably everyday ones that a serious collector wouldn't have any time for, but here we can make a story from them.

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Re: Irish 1928 and 1963 1d
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 12:52:06 AM »
We have already gone over the harp, so let me concentrate on the difference in legends this time

The SaorstŠt …ireann, the Irish Free State was a compromise, achieved by hard bargaining. That such bargaining was possible at all required a breakthrough in attitudes on both sides. Hardliners on both sides wanted to settle for nothing less than complete victory. Undoubtedly, the hero of the breakthrough on the Irish side was Michael Collins.

The Treaty of 1922 did not grant Ireland full independence. It granted Ireland Dominion status on an equal footing, equal to e.g. Canada and New Zealand. This made the existing dominions interested parties. The restrictions on Irelands sovereignty were not huge, but they still fell short of the ambition of the Irish population: the British king remained head of state and had the final word on Irish legislation. In practice this meant nothing as the only legislation that would have been stopped was of the type that would go against the core clauses of the Treaty of 1922 and such legislation was never introduced.

Tragically, Irish radicals rejected the Treaty. Just after a long period of fighting and official bloodshed, Ireland entered into what was in fact a civil war between pro-Treaty and anti-Treaty parties. Michael Collins was one of the victims. If today, you visit Kilmainham Goal, just inside Dublin, the tour guides will tell you that there were more executions under the Free State than under British rule.

The pro-Treaty forces won the civil war, but they were also unhappy with the status quo. Using democratic process to good effect, they were able to organize a referendum in 1937, replacing the 1922 Treaty constitution by a new text, creating the Republic of Ireland. The wording on the coins was changed accordingly. Technically, these coins are subdivisions of two different currencies: the SaorstŠt pound and the Irish pound. In practice, both were equal in value to the British pound. In 1979, the latter currency was changed into the Irish Punt, which was not pegged to the British pound. Around the same time, Ireland set up its own printing and minting facilities.

Ireland is a founding member of the euro.


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