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Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« on: January 07, 2010, 08:11:04 PM »
For some years ago I sent to Krause infromation about two varieties of estonian 5 krooni 1993 coins.
but this info never appeared there.

anyway here are pictures about it. Letter M is probably from Finnish mint, altough these coins are made in Tallinn.
look at next head of third leopard.

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2010, 08:45:27 PM »
Letter M is probably from Finnish mint, altough these coins are made in Tallinn.

All the coins with letter M (50 senti 1992; 1 kroon 1992, 1993, 1995; 5 krooni 1993, 1994) were minted in Tallinn. Why Finnish mint?
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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2010, 09:01:03 PM »
Most probably explanation is that dies was made in Finnish mint.

well, there isn't clear answer as "RE Juveel" what made these coins was privatizaised in around 1995 and is now in jewelry business. According some newspaper article long ago Bank of Estonia people said that no information remained from these days about this M mintmark. They even don't know mintage :)

in first years on 90-ties Estonia wasn't very well organized and documented  ;)

First after-war silver commemorative (10kr 1992 Barn Swallows with RM mintmark) was made in Finland what looks like hobbyist design :) specially backside with obscure EESTI - ESTONIA side. Never before and afterwards there wasn't such ugly leopards used.

RM is for Raimo Makkonen who was in these days Finnish mint director.


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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2010, 09:35:58 PM »
Overall mintage for 1 kroon 1993 and 1995 was published when they were withdrawn from circulation. 16 mln pieces.
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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 05:16:54 PM »
Very interesting piece and absolute new to me! Thanks for showing the picture and sharing the information!

The coin of 1994 has the "M" regularly, the piece of 1993 usually not. So I think the piece of 1993 with "M" is a mule of the obverse of KM #30 and the reverse of KM #29.




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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 09:48:46 PM »
There are Russian coins dated 1992M. Is there any chance that the pieces with the M mark were minted in Moscow? I remember that political relations were not exactly friendly, but it may have been done either as an attempt to soothe feelings or in the hope that developments could still be reversed.

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 10:24:13 PM »
No chance.

By the way: among 16 ex-USSR countries who have coins in circulation, only Tajikistan decided to produce them in Russia. Four countries (Kazakhstan, Lithuania, Ukraine and Uzbekistan) created their own mints. The others had made orders all around the World - in the UK, in Poland, Germany, South Africa, etc. - but not in Russia.
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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 07:09:13 AM »
The Russian mint in Moscow has used MMD in oval as their mint-mark for many years (and is still using).The Mexican mint has a 'M' below dot as their mint-mark.(Which has no connection here,just mentioned. ;) )

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 11:24:58 AM »
The "Mexican dot" (or circle) may represent a coin. The Spanish Mint also uses an M (with a crown above) by the way.

As for the Estonian 5 krooni coins, well, according to the Schön, both the 1993 issue (75 yrs republic) and the 1994 piece (75 yrs Eesti Pank) were minted by Juveel. Could the "M" possibly refer to Arseni Mölder? The sculptur (he died last year) apparently made the side with the CoA ...

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 11:40:01 AM »
The circle on the M on Mexican coins represents the O of Mexico. It's an abbreviation.

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 11:43:30 AM »
Could the "M" possibly refer to Arseni Mölder? The sculptur (he died last year) apparently made the side with the CoA ...

Excellent! The best idea that I have heard.
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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 11:51:28 AM »
The Russian mint in Moscow has used MMD in oval as their mint-mark for many years (and is still using).

Moscow mint has two different mint marks: letter M for small denominations (in our days - 1-50 kopeks), and the MMD emblem for large denominations (1 rouble or more). And the emblem was changed in 1998, so there are three mint marks. See the page http://ciscoins.narod.ru/articles/article08e.htm

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Re: Estonian 5 krooni 1993 2 varieties
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2021, 09:50:17 PM »
M - Mikli
article about this letter (Estonian language)
https://sakala.postimees.ee/409067/miniatuurne-m-peidab-end-lovi-kapa-juures
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