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Offline goldenage

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Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« on: November 17, 2021, 03:03:05 PM »
3.79 g. Bronze.

I am right with the reading?
Observe: DNIOVIAN VS PF AVG
Reverse: VOT V MVLT X (ANT, ANTA, ANTB, ANTZ, ANTS??)

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2021, 04:18:13 PM »
Obverse: DN IOVIAN-VS PF AVG
Reverse: VOT V MVLT X (ANT[delta?])

RIC 233, rare, only listed for officina Δ in RIC (but uncertain on your coin)

Alan
« Last Edit: November 18, 2021, 12:19:52 AM by Manzikert »

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2021, 04:50:18 PM »
Very nice grade too! :coinsilver: :applause:

Peter
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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2021, 06:16:41 PM »
Hey Alan, Thank you for your indications. But just for understanding: On my coin there is no officina, what does it mean when there is nothing?
Thank you Peter, I like it very much :) the hard brown dust on the coin makes it really nice, as well as the details on his head/crown.

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2021, 10:18:58 PM »
There is a stroke after ANT which is probably the left side of a delta, but due to 'ghosting' from the obverse the rest of the letter is missing.

If you look at the 'V' and the 'M' of the main inscription these are also partly obscured, as is the left top arm of the 'T' in ANT, probably for the same reason.

Alan

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2021, 01:20:03 AM »
I don't know what "ghosting from the obverse" is.

But the missing parts of letters could be due to corrosion that is no longer visible with the dark patina or due to a clogged die - i.e. metal became stuck in parts of the die so the impression was not made on those parts of the coin.

It is a very nice specimen.

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2021, 09:07:45 AM »
'Ghosting' is where one die is insufficiently filled due to a higher relief on the other side 'sucking in' metal.

It can very often be seen on thinner coins such as the Rutlam paisa (second issue, thin) below, where the demand for metal from the figure of Hanuman on the obverse has left a very weak area in the reverse centre

The main sign of the phenomenon on any coin is flat areas on one side opposite higher relief on the other.

As Peter and otlichnik say, it is otherwise a very pleasing coin.

Alan

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2021, 10:57:56 AM »
The effect of ghosting is perhaps best shown with a medieval bracteate. They were struck one-sided on a relatively soft support (presumably wood). On the specimen shown, the effect is pretty pronounced. Normally, there is more to much more loss of detail on the other side.

Peter
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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2021, 11:43:30 PM »
Ah, I understand the phenomenon.

I think in the case of the Jovian with letters that are half fully there and half entirely missing a clogged die is more likely but who knows.

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Re: Jovian Antiocha? Help to identify
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2021, 02:56:09 PM »
Thanks for your indications, very interesting. Now I know what ghosting is or could be.