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Do you like toned coins?
« on: October 22, 2021, 02:40:44 PM »
I've always thought the divide was pretty clear between those who like and those who dislike toned coins. A lot of it of course would have to do with the look of the toning...rainbow, album toning, darker or lighter toning over the entire coin or in blotches or "swirling waves" (very poetic ;D). Intensity of color, whether multi-colored or solid golds, browns, or blacks might matter.

 Regardless as to look some people just prefer coins with clean natural surfaces. Personally, I like both pretty toning and natural color. What about you?

I've posted images of a few coins that I think have attractive toning along with images of the same coin but untoned. Since doctored coins are a huge problem, at least here, I've only used images provided by professional grading services or experts in the genre. My skills in detecting doctored coins is rudimentary.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2021, 03:36:59 PM »
No threepence could ever look as red as the one in the top row. You should ask for a refund.
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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2021, 04:58:49 PM »
When coins are struck, they have a colour of fresh metal. As they get exposed to polluted air, they acquire a patina and perhaps oxidise. They also wear when used. These processes are natural and acceptable to me. Everything else is the consequence of bad storage or treatment and I take it off.

The US half is a very good example. The lower one is more or less as struck, with a light dulling. The "toned" coin has been lying around for many years in bad paper. Fortunately, its packaging was large enough to affect only the outer parts. The gore on the edge is the chemical detritus of the bleach in the paper. It is unnatural and serves no purpose.

The MT-taler was likely in bad plastic for a while. The softener in the plastic misted it. If the mist is recent, it can still be removed with acetone and you will see that this is actually a carefully struck unc (first strike in US terminology) or a proof. Otherwise, it's an EF goner. You can fix it up with a silver dip, but not up to unc. Oh! Sorry! you meant the one above it? It was in a coin cabinet made of young wood. The wood's juices ruined the coin, probably irreparably. Quick, sell it to a tone lover! :P

That said, you decide what you want to collect. So do I.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2021, 05:22:50 PM »
No threepence could ever look as red as the one in the top row. You should ask for a refund.
None of these coins are mine, <k>, so no refund. :)

 I've seen this kind of toning, (almost with a reddish tint) before, particularly on copper coins. I once had a 1906 US copper cent graded MS-66 that looked very similar to this. It was certified by a professional grading service and verified by a specialist who I sent it to.

One thing about the major TPG's is that they're very careful about verifying legitimate toning. They generally reject the coin if there's the slightest doubt in their minds. It gives you peace of mind at least.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2021, 05:30:47 PM »
Sometimes I come across toned coins that I do consider to look nice. But if I happen to have 2 pieces of the same coin, 1 toned and 1 not, I will always only keep the piece that is not toned. That piece is of higher quality, in general worth more and certainly easier to sell in the future. I always find it very important that the natural coin colour is visible, and consider toned coins to be of significantly lower quality.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2021, 05:42:51 PM »
That's interesting, eurocoin, but here a nicely toned coin will often realize a significantly higher price than a non toned one ( depends on rarity though). A good example i came across was two US Morgan Silver Dollars. I don't recall the date but it was relatively common. Both were mint state and auctioned by Haritage. One was blast white and the other had beautiful rainbow toning. The non-toned coin hammered at $90 while the toner realized $1,500, a significant difference. Maybe there's more appeal for them with American collectors.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2021, 06:02:04 PM »
Yes, it is certainly a typical US thing that toned pieces can go for way more than non-toned pieces of the same coin.

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2021, 02:10:46 PM »
When coins are struck, they have a colour of fresh metal. As they get exposed to polluted air, they acquire a patina and perhaps oxidise. They also wear when used. These processes are natural and acceptable to me. Everything else is the consequence of bad storage or treatment and I take it off.

The US half is a very good example. The lower one is more or less as struck, with a light dulling. The "toned" coin has been lying around for many years in bad paper. Fortunately, its packaging was large enough to affect only the outer parts. The gore on the edge is the chemical detritus of the bleach in the paper. It is unnatural and serves no purpose.

The MT-taler was likely in bad plastic for a while. The softener in the plastic misted it. If the mist is recent, it can still be removed with acetone and you will see that this is actually a carefully struck unc (first strike in US terminology) or a proof. Otherwise, it's an EF goner. You can fix it up with a silver dip, but not up to unc. Oh! Sorry! you meant the one above it? It was in a coin cabinet made of young wood. The wood's juices ruined the coin, probably irreparably. Quick, sell it to a tone lover! :P

That said, you decide what you want to collect. So do I.

Peter
All of these coins have been naturally toned in the sense that they weren't doctored on purpose with chemicals or "cooked" at high temperatures to introduce coloring.

 The half dollar is album toned which is a process that takes many years of the edges being exposed to non-archival paper or cardboard. I once had an 1835 quarter dollar in my collection that looked nearly identical to this one. It had been stored in a Wayte Raymond slide album for decades...first by my father and later by myself. To me that's natural toning and is considered so by any professional grading services that I know of. In short it wasn't done on purpose but was simply the consequence of being in contact with a hazardous material.

The bottom line is the appeal or lack of appeal it has to an individual collector. You would sell it because it's not attractive or natural to you. I would keep it because it has a lot of appeal to me. My guess is that the coin would fetch a hefty price here, but not in your neck of the woods. Like they say in real estate...location, location, location. :)

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Re: Do you like toned coins?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2021, 02:17:53 PM »
I found these three examples of 1962 Washington Quarters, two toned differently and the third blast white. I personally like all three but favor the rainbow example over the untoned one. The gold toner is too much of a good thing for me so it would be my third choice.

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