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Offline carpatic

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Hi, I would need help to ID this one, with a Krause nr if possible.
It is 3,34g, 13-15 mm, copper. I can see the numerals "21" but not the rest of the year.
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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2021, 06:41:34 AM »
Hi. It would be a pity to leave this coin unidentified. Maybe someone on the board could help...

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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2021, 09:05:41 AM »
I have had a long stare at it, but didn't get anywhere, as I am handicapped by my lack of knowledge of the Arabic script. I was hoping that the word at 6 o'clock on the lower illustration would be zarb, because that would mean the name of the mint is above it and that's as far as I got. My best guess is an anonymous issue for Muhammed II or his son, Mangubarni.

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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2021, 07:01:16 AM »
Thanks!
From my investigations I believe that the style rings us to a later period, probably the XIX century AD, and maybe more to the east in Khoqand. I have bought it from Kyrgyzstan, so maybe it was circulated or even minted in the Ferghana valley.
I have found slight resemblance in Zeno, such as this one https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=60082
But no good match.
It also seems that mine is dated but strangely it starts with "21" and at least one other figure can be sean on the right. Maybe it is a numbering error like it happens in some Indian princely coins of that period, and we should read it 12...
Maybe we can narrow it down more...

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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2021, 08:29:03 AM »
Not from Bukhara but a coin of Kashgar in Chinese Turkestan,  of Abdul Aziz Khan.
(should be dated 1292 AH)
This coin is listed by Valentine : n°15 p.193
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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2021, 08:24:01 AM »
Great ID Saro, thank you!
It should be this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces296756.html , right?
I see that there are several variants but on mine I don't see other numerals excelt 12 (actually I see 21), so it could be any of them?

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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2021, 08:55:36 AM »
Your coin is of the second type shown on Numista's link, with "al-'aziz / العزیز" below 'abd / عبد", with a  slight difference of arrangement of the place of the date, it seems.
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Re: Bukhara ID
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 01:14:39 PM »
All digits of 1292 are visible. Your 21 is the 29 in the middle. The 1 is above and the second 2 far away to the right.

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Re: Chinese Turkestan, falus 1292, Kashgar in the name of Abdul Aziz Khan
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2021, 09:03:59 AM »
Hi. Krause lists for this variant, C#37-5, the years 1291, 1293, 1294, but no 1292. Krause might have missed a variant, but maybe the last digit of my coin is actually a 4, not a 2? What do you think?

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Re: Chinese Turkestan, falus 1292, Kashgar in the name of Abdul Aziz Khan
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2021, 01:58:07 PM »
It may well be a blundered 3 or 4. But I see a 2. There are many coins and years missing in the KM.