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Offline mti

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Also Islamic one that needs direction... : Mamluk ?
« on: June 04, 2021, 10:50:19 PM »
Hello again...

This one is a coin #2 out of 4 that I bought as "unknowns" ... 

Here's what I know about it:  3.4 - 3.5g  ||  15-19mm  ||  Looks Bronze/Copper

If at all possible to read what is written on it, then we can attribute it...  Please help... Thank you... =))
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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2021, 04:58:04 PM »
I jut noticed that this Timurid coin has a similar peculiar shape to your coin (four points protruding from a roughly circular coin). It also has a similar weight and diameter. It's certainly not a match for the writing, but might give you a starting point in your search.

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=64772
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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 08:40:05 PM »
Thank you for your reply... as I am looking through Zeno... I found this:  https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=237824
and this:  https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=257295 ...
both are similar in shape, size and approximate weight... but all are coming from different origins... :))  it makes me go all sorts of directions... lol...
but I will look into all the possibilities...  thank you again...

P.S.  would be nice to read what it says on my coin...  :))

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2021, 01:23:20 PM »
Dear mti, if you turn the first photo upside down then it looks like a date " 81x ٨١- " AH. It could be:
Sultans of Gujarat, Nasir al-Din Ahmad Shah I, AE Tanka (Falus) (AH 813–846/ 1411–1442 AD)
I hope that helps.

Maythem
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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 02:17:50 PM »
The shape is a consequence of the production method only. Metal was heated and rolled into a sausage-like shape. Flans were sliced off the sausage like a salami. If you start rolling the sausage when the metal is a tad too cold, the sausage will not roll smoothly and become squarish. When the metal has cooled off even more, the sausage tends towards a rectangular shape. Not sure how the "ears" came about. It may have had something to do with handling the flan with pincers.

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2021, 05:48:41 PM »
Thank you gentlemen - everything is indeed very interesting... as far as Gujarat goes - it is possible but look at this coin that I found on Zeno
https://zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=174291

(look at the, especially,  Arabic "1" (circled in red))

to me they look almost identical...  they style of calligraphy... what do you think...?!?!  (pictures of my coin and Zeno's are attached)

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction...
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2021, 08:38:06 AM »
Dear mti, the word inside red circle of top right photo is “ al-Malik الملك “; If your coin is a Mamulk coin then it might look like this:
Mamluk (Bahri), al-Zahir Rukn al-Din Baybars I, Date?, AE Fals, Damascus? Mint (AH 658–676/ 1260–1277 AD)
First photo:
السلطان ,  al-Sultan
Lion passant to the left
الملك (الظاهر)
Second photo:
لله  , Lillah
لا اله الا ا  , La Ilah Illa
محمد رسول ا  , Muhammad Rasul
لله  , Allah
Please note that all copper coins present Baybars' coat of arms, the lion passant to left.

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction... : Mamluk ?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2021, 07:17:20 AM »
Dear Maythem,

Thank you for all your help...  :)

this coin didn't let me rest... so I was searching and searching and now found this:  https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces137198.html

I think there are so many similarities with my coin...  only my coin, on one side, is off center, but still you can see the similar details... so I think I found a match...  :))

What do you think...?!?!

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction... : Mamluk ?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2021, 09:31:51 AM »
Dear mti, we need the help of another WoC member because I do not see any similarity with the numista coin.

Maythem
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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction... : Mamluk ?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2021, 12:09:31 AM »
Absolutely, that would be nice... I've marked with red the similar devices on these coins...

the red Arrows point to the corners of the geometrical designs - they are similar with an oval shaped center (my coin is off center)...

the red Circles show similar scripts, an inverted Arabic 1 and what looks like an Arabic 7... (my coin has an additional script that is visible and is off center to the left)...

the thick-red-line on top of each picture shows the alignment with respect to my coin (my coin is off center)...

thank you...

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Re: Also Islamic one that needs direction... : Mamluk ?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2021, 10:23:27 AM »
Finally, found a match on Zeno (mine is more worn out):  https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=12383

(inside Zeno's link, there are comments to more samples of the same kind of coins) and yes, my coin is off-center - showing more of the bottom portions of dies/stamps...

Thank you again for helping...   =))